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  Quote david5182 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Stand-alone security apps VS All-In-One apps
    Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 10:33am

I am on Win XP SP2.

 

I’ve been using the following combination of security programs for as long as I can remember: SpySweeper, ZoneAlarm Free and Norton AntiVirus.

 

While each of these applications is very good, I recently noticed that they take up a lot of resources, especially SS and NAV.

 

Do you guys think that it would be better to switch these applications to a single app security suite such as Norton Internet Security (which has AV, spyware and firewall protection)?

 

Do you think this type of app will be lighter on my system (as compared to the combined load of the other 3 apps), while offering the same type of protection as with the other three apps?

 

Please advise.

 

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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 10:40am
i find it works much better for me to handle security passively, aka use programs that i run when i want to but have nothing thats running all the time. some will tell you that this wont help you because you need to stop an attack in its tracks. i feel this is silly and a waste of processor power AND internet speed. if someone wants to hack you bad enough, some little subscription program will do little to stop them
 
consider using things such as ccleaner, spybot, adaware, hijackthis(advanced) and AVG(only the passive sections) all of these are free, by the way
 
if you dont consider yourself a wary user or you frequent sites that will infect you, (ie keygens, hacks, torrents, etc) then you will probably need an active scanning program to remain secure.  but if you think before you click and dont deal much with hacking-genre websites, you will be fine scanning things once a week with a few different freebies
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 11:43am
ender, here I have to disagree with you, working in IT for a fairly large company and dealing with users that 'think' they are hot stuff and know how to use a computer and that they will never get a virus, etc, I can tell you that our corporate network detects and stops viruses on about 10% of our remote users home office PCs that connect via VPN (when coprorate policy enforces real time virus scan before the vpn connection is allowed.)

I also get called in when any of my friends manages to corrupt their PC with some virus or other, generally not a major issue, but the slim resources used by a decent security program are well worth the safety it allows an average user.

In my experience a decent firewall and anti-virus pair in fact virtually any of them, I have used over my many years Trend Micro, Panda, Norton, Mcafee, Webroot, One Care, and any one of them is reasonable. I tend to stay away from Norton 360 it is a hog of a program, but most anything else has proven to be quite decent and a reasonable deterrent to accidental infection.

As far as your malicious attack comments, any sufficiently skilled attacker yes can compromise a system, but that still does not make it right to hand over the keys to your computer to anyone that walks by either.

Just like your house, you lock the door. You realize, that a motivated criminal is going to kick the door in, but you lock it to stop the opportunistic thief.

Just my 10 cents.

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  Quote widdlecat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 11:59am
I use AVG 8.0 and spybot: s&d. As far as firewalls, I think I prefer zonealarm.
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 12:35pm
Those are all fine.

I have heard plenty of people swear by them.

I use OneCare because I like the centralized management console (I run a home network that includes Pcs for my kids and wife) and none of them are especially careful so I like the fact I can remove management options from them easily and control all aspects of network security from my PC instead of running PC to PC in the house performing updates.

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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 1:06pm
If you want something lightweight and effective, I recomend ESET security suite. In the past I have used Norton Professional, McAffee, AVG, and Zone Alarm Security Suite. ESET is my favorite so far and (knock on wood) no infections so far, nothing more than the garden variety of tracking cookiee, which I flush daily with Lavasoft's Adaware.
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  Quote david5182 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 1:27pm
Thanks for the replies guys.
 
But no one really answered my question of wether it is better to have one app that does everything or have three separate apps?
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  Quote Clinton Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 1:35pm
I suggest going with one program that is always active, and a few minor programs you might use weekly or monthly to make sure everything is going right. I use bitdefender to actively keep my computer safe 24/7, but I also use CCleaner and a few others weekly to keep my system in check.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jul 2008 at 10:57pm
ive been down this road on a much older thread about passive/subscription virus control. and as far as being a hotshot thinking that i can get by without a background program, i did get a degree in computer networking, its possible i know a thing or two about security.
 
furthermore, real world testing has shown me that in the past 7 years, the only 2 very major viruses that i have had hit me were both when i was running a fully updated and maintained norton. It was after the 2nd one that I asked myself what am i eating bandwidth and adding processes for if this still happens.
 
since then ive run only my passives and have had absolutely 0 problems, mainly stemming from avoiding any suspicious sites/software and cleaning house regularly. my now 7 year old dell is still running perfectly and it has been hooked up to the internet for 90% of its lifespan.
 
theres no point in getting into a debate over this, the facts speak for themselves. if you arent cautious and/or dont some exp with internet security, a subscription/background path may be for you. i just feel its a lot less hassle to keep things simple, and all it takes is a little attention
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  Quote ArmourBrad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 6:14am
can't you just keep a gun on your keyboard tray?

secure, effective and rational.

I've never seen a computer virus take a slug and live to tell about it.

Fact, I actually...hunt...viruses....




literally however I just use adaware, spybot and ccleaner, no probs, but then again I don't DL torrents, or open emails with offeres for (*#@)&ing and @#*(@#$ pills.
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 6:24am
Like I said ender, think they are hot shots, which is 80-90% of those that think they are computer gurus reading these forums.

The sort that think they know best and really don't are the reason I always recommend active suites. Those that are clueless and know it, usually listen to advice from people that seem knowledgable and I would hate to steer one of them to a solution that requires mircro maintenance and some knowledge they may not have, and I certainly do not want to lull a relative newbie into complacence by suggesting a simple monthly or weekly virus scan is enough.


There are some of us who have been in the industry for 26 years, which are few and far between. and then those who think because they are 21 immortal and grew up in the computer age they know everything there is to know.

Because it is impossible to judge anyones experience and modern computers can easily run an active virus scanner with little or no hit to performance especially with somewhat modern quad cores, there is no reason to take the risk, however small.

A little prevention and intelligent web use is always wise, but it never hurts to have an active defense.

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  Quote wright Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 9:29am
I think this is what I'm going to do, as I mentioned in another post about virus protection, I've decided to use one program for both drives. That program is NOD32 by ESET. It's not free, however, I think it is the best "One do all" anti virus. Along with that I'll use JKDfrag (It's Free) simple to use and does a good job for me and find a good registry cleaner to use (any Ideas). Thanks........

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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 9:56am
Sounds great.

I have heard a lot of folks here use CCleaner is what it was called.

I tend to be leary of many registry cleaners but I am considering downloading this one due to the people here saying they thought highly of it.

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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 12:10pm
Be very careful with *any* registry cleaner. They can do more harm than good sometimes. CCleaner is what I use when I need to run one. Creating a backup before running any program that will alter your registry is a very good idea. This from someone that once spent 8 hours manually typing in hex code to repair his registry... live and learn.. I was 21 and knew it all once too LOL.
 
When you pick up the ESET, make sure you get the security Suite and not just the NOD32. NOD32 is the anti-virus, ESET Security Suite is the all in one. In my mind, $50-$60 a year is a trivial amount to ensure some basic level of security.


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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 12:52pm
Thanks Tyler, I have always been a little uncertain about registry cleaners, but it seems the opinion of most people including software review sites (I checked PC World and C-Net) seem to be in agreement that CCleaner is a registry cleaner that errs on the side of caution in registry edits and I always take the option to make a back up of the files being changed if I am given the option.

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  Quote Clinton Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jul 2008 at 1:41pm
CCleaner can also do more than clean your registry. It can uninstall programs, make changes to the start up, and clear your history on the browser and clean up. It also gives you an option to backup the registry before you do anything, which is nice.
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  Quote gamerk2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Jul 2008 at 11:12am
Thats my suite as well.
 
Be aware: No one program will catch everything.  I used registry mechanic prior to cleaning my old PC.  I installed another registry checker, and found over 2000 (dont ask...) erros Registry Mechanic did not find.  Same with antivirus and spyware.  Still, those programs catch most anything...
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  Quote gamerk2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Jul 2008 at 11:13am
Sry, missed quote button...
 
consider using things such as ccleaner, spybot, adaware, hijackthis(advanced) and AVG(only the passive sections) all of these are free, by the way
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Wow, way to hijack my thread guys! :D
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I have found Kapersky to be a great program.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Aug 2008 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by david5182

Thanks for the replies guys.
 



But no one really answered my question of wether it is better to have one app that does everything or have three separate apps?


separate is better, eset (nod32) for example has the best AV but their firewall is not as good as Online Armor Personal Firewall v2, and the best anti spyware so far from my tests is spysweeper.

those 3 and commone sense is all you need to be safe on any webpage ;)

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