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    Posted: 01 Dec 2008 at 2:58pm
December 1, 2008.
 
The weather man said its going to be bad.
 
This thread will be used to document my dealings with DSO from the time i joined this forum/community and placed my order till it arrives to my doorstep. After that, expect a long review with good and bad.
 
Ill run my own tests on the PC when i get it, test the games on it, etc., and post the results!
 
 
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: Paint All Trim Accents: Chassis Vents, Grills, Screws, and Hose Clamps (Red)
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage II Extreme (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 12GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ
Power Supply: 1000W PC Power & Cooling (Turbo-Cool Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: 1.44MB Floppy (Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2x CrossFire Quad (ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: Specialized FrostBite Separate Dual Loop System for CPU & Two Video Cards
Liquid Color: Black: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: LCD Temperature Display & Fan Controller (Requires Chassis Airflow Upgrade)
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Memory Boost: Yes, Overclock memory frequency (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)
Windows Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Pre-Install Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: APC 1300VA Uninterruptible Backup Surge Conditioner (Recommended)
Speakers: Logitech 5.1 System (Black Edition) (Model X540) (Includes Subwoofer)
Keyboard: Razer Tarantula Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)
 
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Nomack why 12GB of ram? a good 8 of that is pretty much waste.

changing the fans to led fans, means they take out your big fan and replace it with 4 smaller led fans, fyi.

crossfire 4870x2 = overkill

drop the ram oc, instead go with 6GB of 1600MHz

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Well, if i do go through with this, something came up and i might have to put this order on hold for a few weeks (who knew?) Geek

But, assuming everything will be fine, i decided to get 12 gigs w/ oc for the long-term benefit, the only things im planning to upgrade would be GPUs down the road, which could be a little tricky w/ LC, but nothing i or DS wont be able to handle.
 
As for the fans i didnt like the big ones much. (Personally)
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wow nomak nice !. dont you think its a bit overkill though? Either way , your gunna enjoy the hell outta that system.

also , i figured you would of already known this, but get your peripherals somewhere like newegg or tiger direct. much cheaper
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I thought about it but then came to a conclusion if some of them go bad (mouse/keyboard specifically), ill have DS to b*tch at, and they will* have to listen to me, and will most likely provide all the fixes/replacements needed to keep me calm and satisfied. Smile
 
 


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They dont huh?

I know for a fact, Razer will send you back to w/e sold you the merchandise to get the warranty details/fixes, unless the place refuses to honor your request for tech. help. If they sell a defective item theyre responsible for replacing it.
 
Time to clear this up and give them a call, unless a mod stops by and shines some light on this.
 
Same goes for UPSU, if it cant power up the rig its flying back to their HQ. (Unless they tell me beforehand and charge back the amount i paid for it).


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you deffinatly want the 1500VA PSU. thats what i have and its great. 
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Yeah, thanks for advice, i will make sure to contact them through e-mail n phone.
 
If mouse/keyboard + apc ups arent covered by DSO, theyre staying on the shelves.
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12GB of memory isn't overkill if it's within your budget, especially if you want the best.
 
Make sure you put that beast to good use.
 
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i dont see what he could possibly be doing that would need 12GB of RAM. but to each his own. GL Nomak.

as for not buying a PSU. Even if DS doesnt cover it , i suggest it to protect your investment. That's an expensive computer your gettings, wouldnt want it to get messed up.
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Hey Alex, a question:

Are mouse/keyboard + ups covered by DS's warranty? What happens if one of them decides to crap out go bad?

Thanks.


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Sorry, accessories are not covered by our warranty. It's for the system only.
 
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nice and beast system....Confused Just waiting for pic...
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Originally posted by Nomak

Well, if i do go through with this, something came up and i might have to put this order on hold for a few weeks (who knew?) Geek


But, assuming everything will be fine, i decided to get 12 gigs w/ oc for the long-term benefit, the only things im planning to upgrade would be GPUs down the road, which could be a little tricky w/ LC, but nothing i or DS wont be able to handle.

 

As for the fans i didnt like the big ones much. (Personally)


nomack 6GB will keep you happy for god knows how many years to come. unless you are planing on running virtual servers you will never come anywhere near6GB usage let along 12.

Edited by DST4ME - 01 Dec 2008 at 8:58pm

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Yeah thanks DST4ME, i got Sarah on my side, bounced her an e-mail - she usually answers them Embarrassed.
 
[Update] 12/01/08 
 
I sent an e-mail to Sarah on 12/01/08 w/ a few questions and gotten a response on 12/01/08 - same date, about four hours after the e-mail was sent. All the questions were answered and additional help provided.
 
Originally posted by E-Mail

Hello, Sarah!

As you have probably seen ive ordered 12GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ ram for my system, i would like you to contact the guy putting together my PC and have him downgrade to 6GB DDR3 1600MHZ Corsair DHX and return the difference. I have done some quick looking around and came to a conclusion i wont be using 12 gigs of ram anytime soon, 6 with higher frequency will suffice.

Thank you.

 

Also, if any MODs are reading this (and i know you are!) my order # is 7980, your "Online Status" doesnt even have it stored yet (And its going to hit Stage 2 today). Error message "Order not found" - might want to fix that. And finally, since youve seen my request here, dont let Sarah handle it all by herself LOL.
 
[edit] Online Status page started working.. wonders.
 
 
PS: Nomak doesnt sell BIGMACKS


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Its cool, its a joke which has been played a few times, i might need a change of alias. Thumbs%20Up
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Ya but still I totally missed the spelling

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This is a counter-question to DST4ME (or anyone else knowledgeable on the subject), wouldnt quadfire 2xRadeon 4870x2 take up a lot of system ram?
 
 
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Sent two e-mails to Sarah on 12/02/08, have yet to get a reply:

Originally posted by E-Mail #1

Hello,

As you have probably seen ive ordered 12GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ ram for my system, i would like you to contact the guy putting together my PC and have him downgrade to 6GB DDR3 1600MHZ Corsair DHX and return the difference. I have done some quick looking around and came to a conclusion i wont be using 12 gigs of ram anytime soon, 6 with higher frequency will suffice. 

Thank you.

Originally posted by E-Mail #2

Hello, Sarah:

I need a pro opinion regarding 12GB 1333MHz OCZ ram vs 6GB DDR3 1600MHZ Corsair DHX ram in my machine, bear in mind that i ordered Quadfire 2x Radeon HD 4870x2.

Any feedback on this will be appreciated. If you think ill have better gaming/video editing experience with 12GB 1333MHz OCZ (overclocked) than with 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair DHX (overclocked) then disregard my last e-mail which asked for a downgrade and keep everything the way it is. Regardless i would like to hear back from you on this.

Also, i dont believe the ram fan kit (included with overclock on ram) would fit on 12GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ ram, if thats the case, will i be refunded the difference (like 20-25$)?

Thanks.
 
Any mods reading this are free to help Sarah, my order number is 7980.
 
More to follow! Angry


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E-mail sent on 12/02/08 to [email protected]
 
Originally posted by E-Mail

Hello DS: 

I have a question regarding my order; i have gotten an APC1300VA UPSU to go along with my new rig. I need to know if it will be able to power it up (in case of loss of electricity)with a 30" Samsung syncmaster 305T LCD plugged into it.

Waiting on your professional response because if cant, we will have to drop it from the initial order. 

Order # 7980

Thank you.

[Update] No response from Sarah/Mods yet on questions asked in this thread/e-mail, not counting this one + Alex's response regarding the warranty service.


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[Update]
 
Got an E-Mail from Sarah on 12/02/08, same date ive requested additonal help. She explained everything that i wanted to know about and more. A big thanks to her!
 
Sent a reply to her.
 
Originally posted by E-Mail

Hello, Sarah!
 
Yes, i was leaning towards 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair DHX from the start, but decided to grab 12GBs at the last second.
 
Yes, please downgrade my ram to 6GB DDR3 1600MH Corsair DHX from 12GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ.
 
Please do NOT overclock my ram, but DO include the fankit for it, as long as it fits and i will pay just for it.
 
Please, drop the speaker set i have ordered along with my rig, (Logitech 5.1 System (Black Edition/Model X540/Includes Subwoofer) i have decided to opt. for a very expensive pair of headphones. I will have no use for them.

I would like to thank you for taking your time and helping me. Please do stop by my thread at DS forums at http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=4872&PN=1 
 
Mikhail.
 
Big thanks to DST4ME for leading me in the right direction w/ ram + Sarah for her pro. advice. Also, Axel D. for finding me my new pair of headphones.
 
More to follow!
 
Ouch
 


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[Update] 12/02/08
 
Sarah confirmed the tweaks for my rig mentioned above, after about two hours of sending the e-mail. Impressive Ouch
 
Big thanks to her.
 
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Yep, ive been helping Nomak out via e-mails when I get a free second in the back while testing the computers. If I am every delayed in my response, its usually because im busy working on someones system.
 
Nomak I sent you one more e-mail for the night not long before I left work answering your last question. And as always, if you have any other questions, well you obviously know my e-mail address and I do check it from home. =)
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Great, I'm so glad you did that and you are very welcome

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What headphones are you going with Nomak? Is it a gaming headset, surround sound, or audiophile stereo?
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Originally posted by widdlecat

Nomack may not sell bigmacks but he luvvz da bunneh!
What headphones are you going with Nomak? Is it a gaming headset, surround sound, or audiophile stereo?


check out the Sony MDR-7506 Studio Monitor headphones. i have a pair and they sound great. Accompany them with a Zalman clip on mic from Amazon , and you have your self a perfect setup :)

Also , if you have the Razer sound card you can check out the HP-1's. I bought a pair of them just to pair up with my card, and i gotta admit , they sound great for games. as for music, not so much . i use my studio headphones for that.



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Thanks jtspectra2, i will check them out. Ouch Im not planning to get a sound card yet, as i was told that ASUS Rampage II Extreme comes with its own sound card. I will have to see how that one performs first, but so far it has good reviews going for it. Also, i was looking at Razers headset and its a 50/50 toss between the ones Axel suggested.
 
The headphones i mentioned above could be found here. (A40 Headset w/ a mic) This is more of a gaming headset Widdlecat, but im sure it would provide a quality sound even for music.
 
I will most likely go with A40.
 
[Update] 12/02/08
 
E-mails sent to [email protected] have yet to be answered. I re-directed one to Sarah and will send more w/ different questions regarding my setup to see if they go unnoticed.
 
Sent an e-mail to Sarah about my Specialized FrostBite Separate Dual Loop System for CPU/2xGPUs in my config.. I requested the biggest available radiator for my GPUs or as many as they can fit inside to make sure my GPUs are kept cool.
 
Originally posted by E-Mail

Hello:

Ive done some looking around and came to a conclusion that i will need the biggest radiator to cool down the liquid, which in turn cools down my GPUs (i ordered a separate dual loop system for CPU and GPU), QuadFire 2x HD Radeon 4870x2 will be putting out a lot of heat.

I want the largest radiator available you have, which will fit my HAF case, installed to cool down the liquid for my two GPUs.

You have my permission to charge the difference on my card.

However, if you have a suggestion on this or if you know for sure the radiators which will be installed will suffice (And by suffice i mean the best cooling before Liquid Nitrogen), please let me know.

Mikhail.
 
More to follow!
 


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So, im wondering here and having second thoughts... 2x HD radeon 4870x2 will take up about 4 gigs of system ram to operate, correct? Six minus four equals two gigs of ram left.

Am i correct?
 
Anyone can shine some light on this? Ouch Currently, games take up about 2 gigs of ram, havent seen one that needed 4 gigs. Should i future proof w/ more ram after after all? Big%20smileThe order is still being processed so w/e changes are needed could be made.
 
Any help from the community/mods will be appreciated.
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They will only take up system ram if you use 32 bit. If you go 64 you'll be a-ok.

For sound, nothing beats the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80 headphones. Throw on a zalman clip-on and it'll crush any other "gaming headset". They are the best sounding headphones I've ever used, can't go wrong for $150.
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Hey thanks, i just did a quick search for those.. found them here. They go for 200$ - whered you get yours for 150$? Cant seem to find them on www.newegg.com either.

Nice specs on them. And as for the mic, i dont care if its sold separetly or not, quality is more important. Ouch
 
[edit] And more importantly do you run them through some kind of amp?


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[Update] 12/03/08
 
Order hit Stage 3 after two days of placing the order.
 
Heres a list for those who would like to know all the stages. Ouch
 
Originally posted by E-Mail

Stage 1: (Payment Processed)
Your order has been successfully processed. Our accounting department is now preparing your build sheet and passing this over to our inventory control department so we may allocate the components necessary for your order.

Stage 2: (Inventory Assignment)
A special component bin has been assigned for your order. We then locate components from our inventory and placing them inside your component bin. If any components are out of stock, we are then waiting for them to be delivered to our storage center. Once all of the hardware is inside your component bin, it is then placed in queue for phase 1 stress-testing.

Stage 3: (Phase 1 Stress Testing)
Your order is now placed into one of our specialized test benches. The installation of the operating system, drivers and any applications that are specific to the system you ordered are completed here. Our Digital Storm Integration Engineer will also install any demos, benchmark utilities, and burn-in software necessary to correctly monitor your systems performance throughout our burn-in process. Afterwards, we perform a series of grueling tests that push the hardware components in your system to the very limit. This Stage is especially important because it is here where the system either excels or fails. If it does fail, our Digital Storm technicians will identify any problems and replace them before we ship your computer system. If the computer system still does not pass our tests, we will then re-build it with a new batch of components.

Stage 4: (Engineering Lab)
Your order has successfully passed our phase 1 stress testing, it has now progressed into our engineering lab. A specialized Digital Storm Assembly Engineer will carefully put together your order as if it was their own. They have a passion to build every system as if it was their show piece.

Stage 5: (Phase 2 Stress Testing)
Your order has been passed to our final phase 2 stress-testing team. They run a final batch of tests to verify the integrity and stability of your system. This allows us to ensure that every system we ship will be a rock solid machine for years to come.

Stage 6: (Quality Assurance)
Your system is undergoing a very detailed quality control analysis. A Digital Storm Quality Inspector is tasked with inspecting your machine from missing screws, loose cards, checking for special requests, verifying the configuration, and double checking our stress-test results. Our Inspectors are trained with a eye for detail and insure that every system leaves our facility with the art of perfection.


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Originally posted by Nomak

So, im wondering here and having second thoughts... 2x HD radeon 4870x2 will take up about 4 gigs of system ram to operate, correct? Six minus four equals two gigs of ram left.


Am i correct?

 

Anyone can shine some light on this? Ouch Currently, games take up about 2 gigs of ram, havent seen one that needed 4 gigs. Should i future proof w/ more ram after after all? Big%20smileThe order is still being processed so w/e changes are needed could be made.

 

Any help from the community/mods will be appreciated.


with vista 64bit premium you can go upto 16GB

Nvidia Drivers----AMD Drivers
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