Tech NPS RamPost Date: 2010-09-03 |
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debugoz
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Topic: Tech NPS Ram Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 2:53pm |
Hi everyone, I got my nice new ds system on monday. I got the ds certified ram, which turn out to be tech nps ram, does anyone know what the ratings are on this ram (6gb 1600mhz), currently the bios is set to auto, but i'd love to get the specific ratings.
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Dragoonseal
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 3:05pm |
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debugoz
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 3:15pm |
Thanks, I should have looked at the dimm more closely to see the big cl9 on the sticker.
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 3:16pm |
open cpuz and show us your memory and spd tabs
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 3:35pm |
ok so this thread confirms for me that the dso free cpu overclock means they leave the ram settings on auto, talk about a lot of untapped power out there!!!!
this is a little shocking to me since the configurator doesnt have an option for overclocking the memory: there is only to add a memory fan.. thats no fun...
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 6:00pm |
Here is a screen shot of it, could be different from debugoz but its the same TechNPS memory
Sorry if I got this wrong, but it seems to be running at 1500 instead of the said 1600? Edited by dranza - 03 Sep 2010 at 6:28pm |
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 6:21pm |
@debugoz,
The memory should not be at CL11. That's wierd. All of our systems have their memory timings at their rated specs. Please get in touch with us directly and we can help you set the timings in the BIOS or if you know how, the timings are the same as the Super Talent, Mushkin memory, etc... |
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 6:31pm |
Thats the screen shot for mine not debugoz, when checking the bios the settings is set to auto. So I need to call tech support? Since I dont know how to do it. |
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Alex
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 7:10pm |
I'm going to have to look into why it's on AUTO for you guys.
Feel free to contact us directly so we can help you configure it. |
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 7:48pm |
No luck with calling DS seems all the techs are busy, have to wait to Tuesday for them to call back. Hope I didn't confuse them since I wasn't sure how to phrase my problems. In the meantime anyone can help with the timing?
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da5id
Newbie Joined: 03 Sep 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 17 |
Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 9:54pm |
I just ordered my DS PC, and I sure hope it doesn't have TechNPS RAM. I remember when they used to be no difference in RAM except for the warranty. Back in the days of Windows 95 you would go to Fry's and get memory on sale. They always try to upgrade you to the premium memory. What was the difference? It had a lifetime warranty. The ordinary memory only had a one-year warranty. TechNPS RAM is obviously not made by the storefront TechNPS. There are a limited number of memory makers in Southeast Asia. In any event, I would've thought that DS would snap up whichever premium brand happen to give the most bang for the buck -- but still be one of the usual suspects such as Crucial, OZC, Kingston, Munchkin, Corsair, Patriot, etc. the list is endless, but they all have lifetime warranties. I have not heard of raptor will memory with anything less in the last five or 10 years.
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 10:29pm |
dranza do you know how to change the ram settings in your bios?
look at the sticker on the ram for the rated voltage, its probably 1.65
set your dram ratio to 2:10
set your timings to 9 9 9 26 1t
boot up and see if that works
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 11:33pm |
but what about all the other timings? that is where the keys are.
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 11:39pm |
There isn't anything about the rated voltage, the back sticker only have this NPS16UB2G9 DDR3 1600 2G/128X8 CL9 and if it helps, my motherboard is EVGA x58 Classified 3X Sli
Edited by dranza - 03 Sep 2010 at 11:40pm |
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justin.kerr
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 11:40pm |
all Intel 1366 RAM sets can be run at 1.65 safely
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 11:55pm |
Memory Feature Memory Speed ( Standard ) Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) Memory Frequency ( 2:8 ) 2:10 Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way ) Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way ) Memory Low Gap ( Auto ) tCL Setting ( 11 ) <so I change this to 9? tRCD Setting ( 11 ) 9 tRP Setting ( 11 ) 9 tRAS Setting ( 29 ) 26 tRFC Setting ( 88 ) Command Rate ( 1t )1t But the tRAS is different from what dragoonseal said for the Mushkin ram and Alex mentioned the timing is the same as the Mushkin ram. How do you change the voltage? Sorry I don't know anything about this and in the bios there are still alot of different different setting for the memory that is related to the timing. |
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Warpig
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 7:07am |
Are you sure you want to?
If your PC is running properly and or you are happy with it in general why fool with it?
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 8:49am |
lol what kind of mindset is that
overclocking is about power.. and not tweaking your ram corectly could leave you as slow as your old system after you just paid a lot of money for a new very fast computer
lol yes justin i know there is more to it but if you didnt see it the top question was if he even knew how to get IN TO his bios, i didnt want to scare him off lol
yes dranza make those changes and see if it boots up fine, if it does:
control alt delete and check your availible memory, divide the number by 8
run http://hcidesign.com/memtest/ 8 different instances
first 7 = the number you got when you divided, then do all availible on the last instance, let those run to make sure your settings are working
let it run till they all get to 200% or more, 1000% is best Edited by !ender_ - 04 Sep 2010 at 8:53am |
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 2:04pm |
I may not have a very high level of tech knowledge but at least I know how to get into the bios or I wouldn't mention that the memory timing is set to auto in the bios. Sorry I don't quite get your instruction, can you be for specific? Do you mean that I open 8 instances of memtest and say if I have total 6gb memory and 800mb available then I divided it by 8 so 100mb each. So I run 100 mb on the first 7 instances and then 800mb on the 8th instances? Is that what you mean? Edited by dranza - 04 Sep 2010 at 2:10pm |
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 3:12pm |
well its a little less easy than that. you open your ctrl+alt+del screen to see availible memory, under your performance tab
then you open 8 instances of memtest ( for 8 threads on your cpu ) and divide the number availible by 8, but as you open them and use them the avail will go down, you when you divide by 8, you take your result and type that in to the first 7 instances, then with the 8th instance, you just do all availible or manually type in about 30ish less than then number showing as availible after you get the first 7 running
did that make more sense? lol
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 5:17pm |
So the first 7 is the same value and the 8th is the remaining available memory?
Should I do this in safe mode or just boot normally? and why are we testing just the available memory and not the total memory which is 6gb? Edit: I made the changes and it boot up fine, but then there is another problem, my total memory only amount to around 4+gb with 2+gb being hardware reserved? So for now I undo the changes and have my memory back. Edited by dranza - 04 Sep 2010 at 6:34pm |
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 9:08pm |
screenshot your performance tab under task manager with all your settings back on auto and with the changes
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 10:40pm |
Before
After For some weird reason, when I change the setting this time its fine. So I restart again and well its back to the 3.9gb memory. Following your setting the memory is overclocked to 1800 as shown from the screen shot Edited by dranza - 04 Sep 2010 at 10:44pm |
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 10:47pm |
its either undervolted or just not stable at that clock speed.. trying to get my ram to run stable at 2400mhz gave me a lot of issues with this, you may need to raise your qpi, just depends on the rest of the bios settings, try setting the very last option to 2t, see what that does
or you can just switch the ratio to 2:8... obviously wont give you the same power, but it should work if you dont want to mess with it any more
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 11:06pm |
Maybe its undervolted? Looking at E-LEET under the monitoring tab the DRAM voltage is 1.63
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 11:24pm |
then its qpi, or the ram really cant run over rated speed, you can try bumping up your QPI by one increment, boot up and see if its working, then repeat.. if they were testing the build with auto ram speeds, it wouldnt take much qpi to get it stable so it might have to come up a good amount, what does your qpi currently say?
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 11:49pm |
How do I see the QPI? Is it the one where you multiply with the cpu multiplier to get the core speed? If its that its currently at 188.
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 12:25am |
nono, its in your bios under CPU VTT
actually here, if you want to do this right, hit your bios and fill this out, im interested to see what they did for you
DO NOT USE THESE SETTINGS just plug in what your numbers are instead of the red ones
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio( 20X ) CPU Host Frequency Mhz ( 133 )
MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( Auto ) CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps ) Spread Spectrum ( Disabled ) PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 ) Memory Feature Memory Speed ( XMP Profile 1 ) Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) Memory Frequency ( Auto -> 1600Mhz ) Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way ) Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way ) Memory Low Gap ( Auto ) tCL Setting ( 9 ) tRCD Setting ( 9 ) tRP Setting ( 9 ) tRAS Setting ( 24 ) tRFC Setting ( 88 ) Command Rate ( 1t ) Voltage Control EVGA VDroop Control ( With VDroop ) CPU VCore ( Auto ) CPU VTT Voltage ( Auto ) CPU PLL VCore ( Auto ) IOH PLL VCore ( Auto ) DIMM Voltage ( 1.65 ) DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV ) QPI PLL VCore ( Auto ) IOH VCore ( Auto ) IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto ) ICH VCore ( Auto ) PWM Frequency ( 800 Khz ) CPU Feature Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled ) Turbo Mode Function ( Enabled ) CxE Function ( Disabled ) Execute Disable Bit ( Enabled ) Virtualization Technology ( Enabled ) Intel HT Technology ( Enabled ) Active Processor Cores ( All ) QPI Control Settings ( Enabled ) QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled ) QPI Frequency Selection ( Auto ) OC Recorvery ( Disabled ) |
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 12:54am |
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio( 21X ) CPU Host Frequency Mhz ( 188 )
MCH Strap ( Auto ) CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( Auto ) CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps ) Spread Spectrum ( Disabled ) PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 ) Memory Feature Memory Speed ( Standard ) Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) Memory Frequency ( 1087 / 2:8 ) Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way ) Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way ) Memory Low Gap ( Auto ) tCL Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) tRCD Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) tRP Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) tRAS Setting ( Auto -> 29 ) tRFC Setting ( Auto -> 88 ) Command Rate ( Auto -> 1t ) Voltage Control EVGA VDroop Control ( With VDroop ) CPU VCore ( 1.375 ) CPU VTT Voltage ( +150 ) CPU PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.8 ) IOH PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.8 ) DIMM Voltage ( 1.6 ) DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV ) QPI PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.1 ) IOH VCore ( Auto ->1.1 ) IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto -> 1.5) ICH VCore ( Auto -> 1.1) PWM Frequency ( ) <-which? there is two VTT PWM Frequency (250) CPU PWM Frequency (800) CPU Feature Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled ) Turbo Mode Function ( Disabled ) CxE Function ( Disabled ) Execute Disable Bit ( Enabled ) Virtualization Technology ( Enabled ) Intel HT Technology ( Enabled ) Active Processor Cores ( All ) QPI Control Settings ( Enabled ) QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled ) QPI Frequency Selection ( Auto ) OC Recorvery ( Enabled ) |
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 1:36am |
alright i really have to get to bed and im visiting family so im not sure when ill be back on...
SO MUCH AUTO geez .........
ok go back to what we were doing for tonight, keep 1 upping that qpi(cpu VTT) until you see all your ram in windows, it may take another bump after that to get stable. if you get close to .3 or +300mv, stop, and post, do not go to +300 or over it... it really shouldnt take many bumps
if you get that done without much hassle and im not back for a while tomorrow set your tRFC to 90 and run your memtests again
if it works, drop that to 85, test again... you see where im going
when everything seems good with the memtest, rum prime95 for several hours, 6 is good, 12 is great, 24 is justin.kerr stable
again if you are not interested in the hassle of any of this or dont want to mess with anything, you should be able to change the ram timings to 9 9 9 26 1t and set the ratio to 2:8 and you'll be ok. i just dont want to give you the impression that this is something you HAVE to do
Frequency Control
CPU Clock Ratio( 21X ) CPU Host Frequency Mhz ( 188 )
MCH Strap ( Auto )
CPU Uncore Frequency (Mhz) ( Auto ) CPU Clock Skew ( 0 ps ) Spread Spectrum ( Disabled ) PCIE Frequency (Mhz) ( 100 ) Memory Feature Memory Speed ( Standard ) Memory Control Setting ( Enabled ) Memory Frequency ( 1087 / 2:8 ) 2/10 Channel Interleave Setting ( 6 Way )
Rank Interleave Setting ( 4 Way ) Memory Low Gap ( Auto ) tCL Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) 9 tRCD Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) 9 tRP Setting ( Auto -> 11 ) 9 tRAS Setting ( Auto -> 29 ) 26 tRFC Setting ( Auto -> 88 ) (discussed above) Command Rate ( Auto -> 1t ) 1t Voltage Control EVGA VDroop Control ( With VDroop ) CPU VCore ( 1.375 ) CPU VTT Voltage ( +150 ) (bump up one click, reboot, if it doesnt work, bump again) CPU PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.8 ) set to 1.8 IOH PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.8 ) DIMM Voltage ( 1.6 ) DIMM DQ Vref ( +0mV ) QPI PLL VCore ( Auto -> 1.1 ) IOH VCore ( Auto ->1.1 ) set to 1.3 IOH/ICH I/O Voltage ( Auto -> 1.5) ICH VCore ( Auto -> 1.1) PWM Frequency ( ) <-which? there is two
VTT PWM Frequency (250) CPU PWM Frequency (800) CPU Feature Intel SpeedStep ( Disabled ) Turbo Mode Function ( Disabled ) CxE Function ( Disabled ) Execute Disable Bit ( Enabled ) Virtualization Technology ( Enabled ) Intel HT Technology ( Enabled ) Active Processor Cores ( All ) QPI Control Settings ( Enabled ) QPI Link Fast Mode ( Enabled ) QPI Frequency Selection ( Auto ) OC Recorvery ( Enabled ) |
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 2:29am |
Whats the setting to use for prime95?
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Mr.
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 3:06am |
lmao i gotta learn some of this hardware stuff before i get my rig cause i dont understand nothing yall are sayin hahaha
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Mr.
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 4:35am |
I did what you pointed out and bump the CPU VTT till +250 and it still doesn't work. So I reset the changes and tried the first and second step from this http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=479626 and it still doesn't work. Reset changes again, and set the memory timing to 9-9-9-26 1t 2:8 and memtest till 300% with no problem. Maybe bumping the VRAM to 1.65V or using the XMP profile will help?
Edited by dranza - 05 Sep 2010 at 4:35am |
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!ender_
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 5:56pm |
dont use xmp, the ram just might not want to go any faster, techincally qpi is supposed to be safe up to +400 ish on 1336... but im not telling you to go that high, maybe justin will come along and he can tell you. i just dont feel comfortable advising you to go any higher
what toes the dram Volts say in your bios?
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dranza
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 6:14pm |
The dram volts is DIMM voltage in the bios right? If it is then its 1.60V
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