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    Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 8:37pm
Budget:
No real limit

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The absolute best I can get

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Saved Ticket #digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=4613268
This is what I got so far but I don't know if it the best It can be any upgrades?

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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 11:14pm
Welcome to DS! Awesome
That is some beast you have configured if you are into heavy math/physics number crunching. For gaming, you are a bit overboard and some hardware might end up slowing you down instead of going at warp speed (not that you would notice).

Just so you know, the Aventum is one of DS' proprietary designs. The window is on the right when facing the front of the pc and the mobo is upside down with the gpu on top of the cpu. It is very heavy and ships on a pallet by freight. Order extra coolant for periodic topping off.

The configurators will advise that the cpu is way overkill for gaming, as well as the overclocking of both cpu and gpu. They will suggest what cpu is best and save you some money.

The Storage No. 1 is all you are having but I would suggest that you get a 1TB Storage 1 and the larger Storage for secondary. Safer that way.

RAM (System Memory) is way more than you'll ever need. I would go with 32GB and have plenty. If you want to have some headroom, then 64GB would be more than enough for the life of the system.

You don't need an audio card unless you have an audiophile quality sound system. The mobo's audio is very good otherwise.

Those are some of the places you could save some $$$ and not loose performance. Personally I'd keep the cpu but it's not really the best gaming chip for your money.

Enjoy.
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  Quote JamesAstro Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 11:25pm
Hi,

I'm a huge fan of high-end gaming rigs, and just like you, I had a big budget when I ordered my last two Digital Storm machines. I wanted machines where I could play the most recent AAA titles on a large 38" ultrawide gaming monitor at a high framerate with the highest quality settings.

However, along the way I discovered a few things:

1) The Aventum is an amazing machine. If you're looking for an impressive showcase machine, then it can't be beat. However, it's a bit impractical also. It weighs about 100 lbs, so moving it around is difficult. It's so tall that it won't fit under many desks. If you put it on top of the desk, then expect to get help in lifting it up there. If you live in earthquake country (California), then putting it on a desk is dangerous. I ended up "downgrading" to the Velox, and I feel like it was a good choice. It has all the performance of an Aventum, but in a more practical size. It was about half the weight.

2) Your configuration includes 128GB of memory. Although that's impressive, it won't impact game performance at all. Even 32GB is overkill for modern games.

3) Your power supply is overkill as well. However, it will have the advantage of being very quiet. I have a 1600W power supply in my machine, not because I need that much power, but because the fans won't turn on most of the time. In short, your 1500W power supply isn't necessary unless you're concerned about noise.

4) I'm not super familiar with your choice of SSD. It looks very fast, so that's great. However, do you really need 4TB? That seems huge for gaming. You may have needs other than gaming though.

5) Regarding the RTX 4090, go for it! You can't get a faster graphics card. :)

6) I noticed that you selected a stand-alone sound card. I don't think there is any reason to do that unless you're an audio or AV specialist who is creating content. I'm a bit of an audio snob myself. I was the sound designer for a Playstation video game, and I'm also a video software engineer. The built-in audio on modern computers is all that most people need. I bet you wouldn't hear a different in a blind audio test between the motherboard audio, and a standalone card.

7) You selected liquid cooling for your CPU and GPU. That looks really impressive, and it's fun. I had liquid cooling on my DS machines for years. However, my recent Velox machine is 100% air-cooled with a Noctua NH-D15S cooler. You know what? My machine runs cooler, faster, and more quietly that my previous Aventum machine. In other words, don't discount the ability of a modern air-cooled machine. Liquid cooling is fun, but not necessarily faster. It also requires more maintenance, and there is an increased chance of failure. I had two liquid-cooled systems, and they both failed at some point. That being said, many people who I respect here in this forum do prefer liquid cooling.

8) Regarding CPU boost, I wouldn't recommend it. Modern CPUs are really good at throttling up when needed. The rest of time they slow down as needed, and this reduces the amount of heat that is generated. I've seen benchmarks during the last couple of years that show how non-overlclocked CPUs can actually out-perform overclocked ones. I know it's counterintuitive, but sometimes overclocking doesn't help performance due to the heat that is generated.

In short, if you're looking for a showcase machine, then please do get the Aventum. There is nothing like it, and I'm sure you'll love it for that purpose. However, the Velox is just as capable when it comes to performance, and it is far more practical.

Here is an alternate configuration for a super-high-end machine that is powerful and quiet...but with nothing that wastes toooo much money...

https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=4613337
Velox, Intel Core i9 11900K, ASUS ROG Maximus XIII Hero
32GB RAM, 1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVME
RTX 4090, 38" Ultrawide LG-38GL950G
Noctua NH-D15S cooler and NF-A14 fans, Corsair AX1600i PSU
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Jan 2023 at 11:36pm
+1

The Velox is a great case and will fit the E-ATX mobo. I agree in all other respects, including the air cooled suggestion. I have both an Aventum and a Noctua cooled self built and you cannot hear the self built and runs as cool as the full loop Aventum.

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I also forgot to mention that if you are not familiar with open liquid cooling loops, there is some regular maintenance required, you can (and probably will) have nightmare events with leaks and will become very intimate with your system's plumbing. That said, it does look and performs awesome. In the future, when you upgrade your gpu, it will be more complicated to include in the loop but with the Quick Disconnects it is easier.  I did surgery on mine and on the second gpu upgrade, I removed the top rad and went with hybrid gpu where it has an AIO to assist in cooling.


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  Quote Hort Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Feb 2023 at 6:53am
Agreed with most everything said above. I'm putting together a Velox now at 1/2 that price (I know you said price doesn't matter) that will game every bit as well as your config.

Speaking from past experience, skip the add-on sound card. If you truly want audiophile-quality sound (and I love good audio - have a pair of Meze 99's) - get a much-better stand-alone outboard DAC. You could spend part of the $5,000 you'd save on an awesome DAC and speakers/headphones.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Feb 2023 at 5:01am
My friends have given you some very strong advice. I'll simply rehash that more than 32Gb of RAM in a gaming       environment will go idle all the time and waste your money.

I can never back custom liquid cooling unless you are quite expert in getting into the guts of a computer and solving very tricky problems. Or willing to become that guy. If it develops any problems, it will shut you down completely until they're resolved.

A 13900KS doesn't bring anything to the table for gaming the 13700KF doesn't.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-13900KS-vs-Intel-Core-i7-13700KF/m2000819vsm1925886

The K means it's overclockable, the F simply means it doesn't include on-chip video. Both are actually overkill for gaming. The best value is the 13600KF, but for you, it's conceivable that sometime in the next 4-8 years an extra core or two might come into play. That 4% is so rare an event, it's not worth any extra money.   
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