the more I read the less I understandPost Date: 2008-03-28 |
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jyduchene
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Topic: the more I read the less I understandPosted: 28 Mar 2008 at 10:18pm |
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I am in the final days prior to an order. I just read the Nividia topic in the General discussion thread.. I am concerned. It seems to say that 8800 series cards don't work well with Vista and SLI does not work at all. Many people are discussing their satisfaction with VISTA and SLI. I am becoming paranoid as I think about Vista. My interest is in racing and flight sim games. I have a Logtech wingman GT Formula Force GT wheel and a Saitek cyborg 3D stick. I am not wanting to sink +2000 plus into a puter and then have to buy new stick and wheel. What is your experience. I want 2x 8800 GT and want to be able to use it. I grew up vid card deprived and "as God is my witness I will not go card hungry again". Thanks and I have more questions to follow.
John
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 1:55am |
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I cannot speak to the G92 architecture of the 8800GT's, but I do use a Saitek flight stick with 32 bit Vista Premium and it works flawlessly. I think your peripherals will be fine. The issues with the NVidia drivers and Vista are a separate matter.
I have not seen enough problems to prevent an enjoyable gaming experience in my system. I have seen some errors where my driver stops responding and recovers, but not often enough to make my system even remotely unusable. I think one of the things to bear in mind when reading about problems, is that the 8800GT is perhaps the most popular gaming graphics card *ever*. While we can clearly see in one of the threads on this topic that NVidia is experiencing the lion's share of the problems reported to Microsoft, what we cannot see is the market penetration of the G92 series cards. I have read that it may be as much as 5:1 Nvidia to ATI. When put into that light, it seems to me that the prevalence and severity of these problems may be getting a touch misrepresented. That's not a slight to the people having problems. When it's your system, it's a *big* deal. I'm just saying that the vast majority seem to be very satisfied customers, and that one of the benefits of buying from a company like DSO is the warranty coverage in case things do go wrong. |
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Jyduchene
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Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 1:43pm |
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Thanks Tyler, for the reasoned response to a ramble. I have some basic more focused questions.
1. Do two cards help increase performance? Is it game dependent, ie. do games have to be designed from the beginning to benefit from SLI/
2. Is it OS dependent? Will two cards SLI work with XP?
3 What do I gain from Vista other then a pretty face?
4. How much does a 24" wide screen affect the choice of 1 vs. two cards?
(I am thinking of a Dell ultrasharp (2408)
5. Does overclocking (CPU and Memory) add to the confusion of compatability ?
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SunfighterLC
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Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 3:06pm |
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1) yes SLI does help with graphic performance, but it is game dependant, though most games now a days to support duel cards. But SLI is more dependent on resolution then anything. 1600x1200 is about the very baseline where you start to see an improvement with 2 cards over 1. In all cases, the higher the rez the more youre gonna notice.
2) It is not OS dependent though vista and nivida are reported to have a few quirks, but im not sure if it just is to the fact that nivida is dominating the market right now so higher reports are just coming in due to sheer volume.
3) No clue, I dont have my new computer...yet =P.
4) A 24 inch screen will be perfect to use with SLI. Basically with any SLI 8800 or better id recommend anything 24 inch up. 22 is doable as well. Larger the screen generally the higher native resolution it has.
5) No clue on that one either.
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 29 Mar 2008 at 5:02pm |
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1. It's both game, and resolution dependent. Some games are more multi GPU friendly than others. For example, Call of Duty 4 seems to get a massive performance boost from SLI and Crossfire at resolutions I would not ordinarily expect a gain. For the most part, SLI is helpful at high resolutions, and even more so when enabling quality improvements such as AA and AF.
2. The only limitation based on operating system which I am aware of is for quad SLI. It will not (currently) work in XP. 3. Direct X 10 is of primary interest from a gamer's perspective. Vista is also more secure than XP. IMHO, Vista has taken some hits to it's reputation that it does not deserve. The fact that some mass market integrators pressured Microsoft into lowering the published minimum specs lead to reports of Vista being extremely slow. On a decent system with 2 GB of RAM and a modern core duo CPU, Vista is fine. 4. You'll want it. Once you start climbing above about 19 inches, you are pushing the envelope for performance of a single GPU setup. 5. A little bit. The important thing to remember, is that overclocking adds heat. When you add heat by overclocking, and then add further heat sources by selecting a multi GPU setup, you want to select enhanced cooling to accompany those selections. One of the sources for the reports of instability is no doubt in my mind, heat, and lack of proper planning to handle additional heat when new components are installed. Illustrative example: Someone had good performance but experienced some frame rate drops with AA enabled at highest detail settings. They add a second card to SLI and take things up a notch, and suddenly, they see errors. The GPU temps seem normal, the CPU temps are within reason, so the only reasonable explanation is the drivers must be crap. What they don't realize is the northbridge controller on their motherboard is now baking away at 90*C and causing errors once their system hits periods of heavy load. This is not to say this is the source of all errors, but you can avoid this type of scenario by requesting an adequate case and ventilation enhancements, or opt for the more expensive liquid cooling. Edited by Tyler Lowe - 29 Mar 2008 at 5:03pm |
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