The Ninja Killer... RevisitedPost Date: 2008-11-18 |
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parallox 
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 Topic: The Ninja Killer... RevisitedPosted: 18 Nov 2008 at 10:38am |
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You might have remembered my previous post about building an extremely silent but deadly system to kill the ninja threat, waiting to decapitate you with his ninja kitana by locating you by your PC fan noice. Anyway, there is the new Core i7 architecture, and I am looking to buy. Let me know what you think. I am still unsure if water cooling is quieter than the larger slow fans that are available on todays market, but it seems that is what is being recommended to me if I want performance and quiet. I don't overclock, so I think it may be overkill. Anyway, let me know...
Ticket Number: 206914
Total Price with Instant Savings: $6,464.00
Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=206914 Chassis: Digital Storm 950Si  Edited by parallox - 18 Nov 2008 at 10:50am |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 10:45am |
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water cooling is definatly quieter. and its much more effeciant if you choose to OC your processor.
Liquid cooled GPU's isnt really needed, but if thats what your looking for , more power to you. it looks really cool. the digital Media card reader from what i hear is hit or miss in terms of working properly. I don't suggest it, but again its up to you Raid ? i'll never recommend it, since i'v had issues with it in the past, its all prefrence here. so if you like that , then ultimatly choose what you want. i would also try to save some money on my OS. Home Premium is the same thing for 100 dollers cheaper. blu ray? unless your gunna be using your computer as a home entertainment , why waste that money ? i have 3 reasons for you not to buy blueray for your pc. 1. games arent blu ray 2. games arent blu ray and 3. games arent blu ray. again , like with everything else i suggest , its mearly a suggestion . go with what you like. its your PC, and your money . good luck man , and be sure to keep us updated  |
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bradesco
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 11:10am |
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First of all... Ninjas can't be killed.. Second, sweet rig ya got there. Have you used raid before? If not you arent going to get that much of a speed increase from it and its not easy to manage. I dont think anyone really recommends it. If you are getting LC why not get your CPU OCed? Might as well add in OCs for GPUs and memory too. And I agree with JT, go with Home Premium unless you want to connect to a domain because that is about all Ult is good for. I guess if you need to use the Business and the Premium OSs then Ult is the way to go but if not Home Premium should hold you down. Just my thoughts.
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 11:34am |
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dont bother to OC your GPU's . you can donwload a program called rivatuner or EVGA precision and do it yourself for free.
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parallox
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 1:36pm |
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I have only had one PC setup with a raid, and I never had an issue with it and found it a huge speed advantage. For example, I used to play a lot of Battlefield 2. When maps would end and you load the next one, mine would load so much faster due to raid, that I would be able to spawn and grab the coveted helo before anyone else on the map did. It was almost cheating!
Are raids really that unstable? I have had an issue once where I had to format my system, but that was due to a bad memory module. Basically everytime I patched the system, a bit here and there would get flipped and basically slowly corrupted my system to the point where it just wouldn't start anymore. It was definately the memory because it failed to pass a RAM test program. Granted I am running on XP, so I am not sure if maybe it is just a Vista thing or something.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 2:01pm |
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Not sure I understand why you would dual loop if your not going to OC?
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parallox
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Me either, it's just what the sales guy said worked best. I am pretty sure I said I didn't want to overclock.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 3:13pm |
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you do understand that people with systems that cost 3000 less then yours will have a faster PC then you right?
why triple GPUs? Edited by DST4ME - 18 Nov 2008 at 3:16pm |
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parallox
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Ok, well enlighten me with a config then. I am going for quiet and powerful, and people are telling me that means water cooling.
Who said I have tripple GPUs? I only have 2x SLi in my config above.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 4:22pm |
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Who said you have triple GPUs? I tell you who, my whacked-out eyes thats who
  sorry about that
OK yes dual GPU, so that is good. OK now for config, this will blow your system away: here you go Ticket# 207412 --- Price: $6770 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance) Motherboard: ASUS Rampage II Extreme (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 2000MHz OCZ (Extreme-Performance) Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Player & DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Media & Write DVDs) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite Dual Loop System for CPU & Dual Video Cards Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor your sytem was quiet but not deadly, now its deadly. Edited by DST4ME - 18 Nov 2008 at 4:26pm |
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parallox
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 8:28pm |
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You seem really big on that particular case, any particular reason why the Cooler Master HFA 932 is better than the 950Si? Is it quieter?
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 8:59pm |
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HAF comes with more airflow stock, it has everything else other cases do, it costs less then other cases in its class, thats why I like it.
My tweaks my have been few but the difference is huge, without my tweaks, your pc has a speed of 3.2GHz with my tweaks, you pc has a speed of around 4.0GHz or higher your are spending 6400 for a pc that is going to be slower then a $2000 pc? btw something is wrong with my config link,cause its loading a different system, so I made another: here you go Ticket# 207577 --- Price: $6613 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz (Quad Core) (Extreme Performance) Motherboard: ASUS Rampage II Extreme (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 2000MHz OCZ (Extreme-Performance) Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Player & DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Media & Write DVDs) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite Dual Loop System for CPU & Dual Video Cards Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty you are going to have a CPU with speeds of around 4.0GHz you got 6GB DDR3 2000MHz ram you get fan for the rams all for $147 more, small tweaks yes, but big impact. to be honest, if you really want to make it cost less, remove the bluray drive, in a few years there will be another format anyways. But at the end ofcourse you need to get what makes you happy, I'm just trying to show you as many possibilities as I can, so you know as much as possible before you make your judgment. so I hope I have been some help. btw just few more things to take into account, for example ram speed and price difference, right now you have the fastest ram in my config, making your pc loaded with power, now lets look at the price difference with the same system but different speed ram: Price of system with 6GB 2000MHz OCZ: $6613 Price of system with 6GB 1800MHz OCZ: $6148 Price of system with 6GB 1600MHz corsair: $5812 Price of system with 6GB 1333MHz OCZ: $5641 so there you go, you see the price difference, I gave you the highest ram cause you are spending highend money on a highend system, so I thought you might want the highend ram but if not you can see the price difference there. Hope that helps  Edited by DST4ME - 18 Nov 2008 at 9:02pm |
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Of course you help DST4ME, you rock!
But I am rather suprised you would say my build would be slower than a $2000 machine. I don't think you can really build an affective Core i7 for that price, and even the slowest i7 is faster than just about any of the old stuff. Unless I am missing something.
Ok, maybe I will skip the blue ray/HD DVD drive, it will probably drop within a year anyway, and I usually watch my HDTV DVR tuner on my LCD most of the time anyway.
Also, regarding the ram speed. Isn't the speed of the RAM locked down by two factors, the board speed and the voltage of the slot? I hear the X58 chipset had a voltage issue which keeps you from overclocking it very much if at all, hence why I didn't think ram above 1600 was worth it, but I could be wrong. I'll have to clear that one up before I place my order.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 9:58pm |
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You can easily build a Core i7 pc for less than $2000. I even heard Dell is offering Core i7 machines for under $1000 =\
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 at 10:05pm |
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the ram limitation, skyR already addressed in a different thread:
A 2000 machine OCed will have faster speed then a stock chip, thus being faster. Now if you OC your system, and with the 2000MHz ram, then you would have one of the fastest PCs around. |
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Not according to ASUS. Here is the link to the board specs http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=179&l3=815&l4=0&model=2619&modelmenu=1
Acording to them, the max it will support it 1800 MHz.
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skyR
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The motherboard itself has multipliers ranging from 6x to 16x.
Intel Core i7 only officially supports 800mhz and 1066mhz ddr3 but no one listens to the manufacturer anyways as everyone is obsessed with all these big numbers and overclocking. |
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 3:42pm |
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So are you saying that 1600mhz memory is a waste of money or that 1066mhz is all that it "officially" supports and 1600mhz well be better?
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 3:44pm |
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i7 officialy supports 1600MHz not sure about higher speeds
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 3:51pm |
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OK good, because I ordered 1600mhz
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 at 3:52pm |
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All things considered regarding memory speed, I rather only OC it to the recommended levels and not beyond. My current system had some bad memory in it, and that may have been partially related to it being clocked too high. Memory errors are like giving your PC cancer, after a few windows updates and driver updates, it corrupt your system and it will die a slow painful death
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Nope. This has been known and argued for a long time that Intel is only officially supporting 800/1066 ddr3.
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/specifications.htm Just so you aren't confused. Officially supported means that the manufacturer has specified that the product supports these speeds and is guaranteed to work. It doesn't mean that higher speeds won't work. Edited by skyR - 19 Nov 2008 at 3:57pm |
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parallox bad memory is simpley replaced, otherwise it corrupt data.
if you keep using teh bad ram your windows will not be able oporate soon enough from corruption, but that does not mean the pc is dead, all that pc would need is good sticks of ram and a windows repair from the cd and that pc is good to go. get 1800MHz ram oced and you are within the limits of manufacturer. notice in the pic it says 1800MHz OC 
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