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    Posted: 10 Apr 2016 at 9:10pm
Hey Guys,

Its been a while since i upgraded my PC since i purchased it from DS!
My Current spec:
Chassis: Cooler Master 942 HAFX
Processor:  Intel Core i7 2600k 3.4ghz
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe
GPU: 2x Gforce 960
Monitor: Acer Predator.


So I'm thinking of upgrading cuz of my monitor being able to run a high resolution and both of my GPUs cant handle max settings.

I def want a 980Ti but when it comes to other components i got no idea what i should get and what is cheap to pickup.. if you guys could pass me some info on what i should be looking to get and what price range ill be aiming for would be awesome!! let me know if ya need more information!!
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Hi MaxFactor,

A 980Ti will usually run around $650. Newegg has the MSI GeForce GTX 980TI GAMING 6G LE for sale at $619 plus a $30 rebate. So final price is $589 after your rebate. You won't usually find that good of a price. I bought a MSI 980 with a $30 rebate and had no problem at all getting the rebate. MSI sent me a $30 American Express Reward card.

You might find better prices as we get closer to the release of the new Pascal cards. The new cards should be shown at the Computex show in June.    

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Yea I figured the 980 ti would be around 700, I'm not sure if my current components can handle that or which I should upgrade to.
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As long as you have at least a 600 watt power supply, your system can handle a 980 ti.   The motherboard will except it in one of the slots used for your 960.  The p8p67 is the older PCie x2.0 for graphics and the newer cards are 3.0, but its all backward compatible with little or no loss in performance.

Your monitor's resolution and refresh rate will determine what video card you need. 

An estimate is that going from sli 960 to a 980 ti will give you about a 25% bump for most games in fps.  The 980 ti does however have more vram for higher resolution and more texture units and CUDA cores and a wider memory bandwidth.  All add up to better gaming that just fps might not address.  

    

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Currently I got 1050W, so my entire rig is still good just got to get a new gpu.

So now another question for VR it shows my processor is not good enough (i know VR is still early but out of curiosity I rather be ready) at what am I looking at for processor?
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Here's a bench test DS did on sli 960 vs 980......

http://www.digitalstorm.com/unlocked/nvidia-gtx-960-sli-vs-gtx-980-1440p-benchmarks-idnum344/

Add another 20-25% for 980 ti. 
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I'm not satisfied with SLI at all for some reason... Some games can work it some don't, like the division for example I get graphic issues, ark doesn't work at all with SLI, warframe the same problem... So why go SLI lol... This is my 3rd time with SLI and I rather get the strongest gpu then 2 low ones for almost th same
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Yeah, going with a strong single card is the way to go.

My i5-2500k with P8P67 LE clocked at 4.4 is coming up VR ready which I figured anyways, so your i7 2600 k should be good to go. 
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Oculus rift program shows it's not in the minimum specifications for vr
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GeForce Experience said I was all set .   Minimum specs are generally ballpark, vaque specific requirements.

The 4590 is minimum and cpu's don't up in performance anywhere near what graphics cards do, generation to generation .   I still think your good, but can't say 100%.    

Is your 2600k over clocked to about 4.4? If so, even better.   

I certainly wouldn't swap the CPU/ motherboard just for VR without checking it first.



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No it came over clocked at 3.4 from DS, I my self haven't touched the CPU, not experienced in overclocking.
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The 2600k is base 3.4 ghz and boost to 3.8.     Not bad.    Just for kicks, run CPU-z and stress the rig with a game.   The lower left of CPU-z will show you the clock speed in MHz.   4400mhz = 4.4 ghz.    Back then most systems were over clocked to stage 1, 4.4ghz or so, but you do know what you have more than I.


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I'll look at the paper work i got from DS and see what it's set to. So what's the price on a 980ti should I decide to purchase directly from DS?
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Probably cheaper through Newegg like Frank mentioned, or Amazon. I haven't priced them recently.
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What benefit do I get from upgrading my CPU with a new 980ti, I'm not an expert at all.. Just feels like mixing newer Tec with older isn't best
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I can't say no benefit upgrading to a newer CPU, but until you're ready for a whole new system then I wouldn't .    Bottleneck, a common ailment mentioned when mixing new gpu with old CPU, isn't all some crack it up to be unless you have a high end multi card system for gaming that pushes the boundaries .    Our older CPU's are still decent performers.     Not the best but still able to keep up. I'm talking about performance and not the faster storage and interface that newer boards give.

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so i checked newegg and there are a lot of different version of the 980ti, which should i look into getting??
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My pick,would be the MSI GeForce GTX 980 ti Gaming 6 g card.    I have the MSI GTX 970 gaming 4 g and love it.   Quality, quiet.

But, the Asus Strix is excellent and EVGA cards have very good support.
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yea i've only been going with EVGA and always got my cards replaced..had 2x580s and 1 was faulty and they sent me 2x960s FTW editions.. but one of those wasnt working and got that one replaced again real quick turn around aswell.. i might stick with EVGA but got to look into the warranty of the 980 cuz currently i got lifetime warranty on the 960s
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My choices would be MSI, Asus Strix, or EVGA. The one with the best price and connections you want. Some are overclocked and are good choices. I pointed out a good deal in my post above.

Go to PCPartsPicker.com and look at individual parts. Select GPUs and then search for 980Ti. It will list a pot full with cost. The list will link you to the appropriate store.

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bottom line between pcie 2.0 and pcie 3.0 in situations where you aren't bandwidth starved you gain ~10% real world performance with pcie 3.0.  you aren't going to be bandwidth starved with an I7-2600K paired with a single graphics card.  if you are concerned you can always upgrade your mobo to Z77 and still use your same cpu.

your SandyBridge processor is perfectly fine for pairing with newer graphics cards.  that's one heck of a proc, btw!  as long as it's still running fine you can easily oc that proc, with good air or water cooling, over 4GHz and be safe.   i've got an I5-2500K in my son's rig (handed down) with a Z77 ASRock mobo, paired with an AMD R9 280X vid card.  the cpu is oc'd to 4.4GHz (cooled by a Noctua D14 air cooler) and it's been rock steady for over 5 years. 

 

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Hey Guys, well i end up deciding to wait till the new GPUs got announced and the price is just killer, glad i didnt get a 980ti... now my question is should i upgrade to a 1080 or even a 1070 would i bottleneck or would i be able to run those cards without any problems?!
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currently, minimum system specs list the I5 4590.  the real world difference in speed between the I5 4590 and the I5 2500k is ~2%.  however, the 2500k is capable of being oc'd.  when you factor that in the 2500k is the faster proc.   they're both quad cores.  if you aren't going to be bottlenecked by a 4590 you wont be bottlenecked by a 2500k (or 2700k).  

the new cards have VR specific architecture that improves image rendering in that specific environment over previous generations of gpu.  VR renders differently than in normal desktop applications. 

i do know that the new cards have a narrower bus then big Maxwell.  i think for compatibility reasons you'll have to upgrade the mobo to pcie 3.0 at the least, which means Z77 if you want to stay with your current proc.   it's probably best to consider a complete system upgrade at this point if you have the cash. 
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so a complete system upgrade even though i dont have the cash would run into the 1500 to 2000?? 

should i just upgrade components what would i need and what am i looking at in price?

thanks for the help btw always like coming here for advice you guys are awesome
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it's my pleasure to offer advice.

if you were just going to upgrade the mobo to a pcie 3.0 capable one it will cost you around $150: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293

that's the one i upgraded my previous system with 6 mos ago before passing it down to my son.  

i can't guarantee that you'll get the most out of VR or even traditional desktop gaming with just that change in addition to the 1070 or 1080 gpu. 

why don't you wait until the new Broadwell-E releases and see where Skylake falls in price?  you can then decide what you want to do with an upgrade.  i will say that as far as time on platform is concerned you are certainly due for a "new build". 
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thats interesting, best option atm is to wait for an upgrade and include broadwell-e and skylake depending on their prices.

looks like imma save some money and order my next build from DS again :p

thanks for the advice.
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