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    Posted: 01 Oct 2011 at 12:26am
Budget:
3,000-3,500 System only. No monitors or speakers ect. ect.

Expectations:
Run an eyefinity triple monitor setup at 5700x1200. 24" wide screens.

Usage:
85% gaming (why else would I be here)The rest would be photo editing and some video editing and general multi tasking.

An eye to the future...Would rather have more than I need than be left wanting next year.The ability to upgrade rather than starting over every two years.

Thoughts and insight would be most appreciated...

3,500ish.


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lot of things, first that is the old platform, second the 6990 is a bad idea and quad fire (2 x 6990) will get beat by tri sli 570/580 or tri cf 6970. third wrong ssd.

for that res also we recommend cf 6970 with option to go tri cf.

the p67/68 platform that the 2600k runs on can't do tri sli/cf correctly, but the highend platform (x79) is suppose to be out sometime in nov and that can do it correctly, but just to show you the difference, below will beat your system in every way:

Here you go Ticket# 601714 --- $2,939 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
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Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
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Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
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Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 6970 2GB)
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Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
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Office: - No Thanks
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Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

if you like a faster ssd then the 320 look at the m4.

having more then you need does not future proof you at all.

Edited by DST4ME - 01 Oct 2011 at 12:32am

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Thanks for the eye opener DST4ME.Sorry for not getting back here sooner,work tends to interfere with my social life.

I did some research on the 2600k and agree it is a much better choice over the 960. It does not support DX11 true??and if not how much of a detriment is it concerning gaming and future titles coming out?

I had a look at the x79 as you suggested and while it looks awesome it would not support the 2600k because of the socket change? While it would support tri cf it would require a 2700k no?? I would imagine the   price would be a bit steep, being a new release and all.While you said it may be released in Nov I wonder how long before available from DS and cost? Considering the excellent rep and the high regard the 2600k and the p8p67 are held in, is it worth the wait?

I see you dropped the obsidian case for the 942 HAF X.? While the HAF X has better air flow and a smaller footprint and I do not need hot swap bays...I really like the look of the 800D case.While chrome won't get you home it sure can't hurt looking good getting there no? I also see you dropped the H2o cooling for the cpu as well,does it not work on the 2600k or is it not needed? And if not needed is the HAF X that much better at cooling than the Obsidian?If the HAF X is that much better cooling wise, I will go with what you think is best for the system. Did I mention how much I like the 800d case If I was do go with the x79 platform now or in the future would it fit either case upgrade wise?

You recommend the cf6970 with the option for tricf. Then you state the p67/68 platform can not correctly support tricf?? Confused as to what you mean by option for tricf...different platform as in the x79?

Looks like the only thing I got right was the power supply.

As you can tell by the many questions I am rather new to this and appreciate your time and patience.
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Um you got some bad/mixed up info

the 2600k does not need to support dx11, thats on the gpu not the cpu.

the x79 is a new platform which means older cpus won't work on it, the p67 is the mid range platform, the x79 is the highend platform, the p67 fits socket 1155, the x79 will fit socket 2011, current cpu including the 2700k are socket 1155, the cpus for x79 are 38xx and 39xx.

the highend platform will cost more yes but that is because it can do more.

as soon as the cpus are available from intel, DS will be offering them.

are they worth waiting for? in your case, you have no choice, if you want to have the most power to run that res, your best option is the go dual sli/cf with option to add a third, the p67/68 can't do that.

Originally posted by 94marconi



I see you dropped the obsidian case for the 942 HAF X.? While the HAF X has better air flow and a smaller footprint and I do not need hot swap bays...I really like the look of the 800D case.While chrome won't get you home it sure can't hurt looking good getting there no?


yes it can hurt, cause the 800d is not the best case for air cooled systems, and lot of people like yourself think that since the cpu is lced, they have a lced system, thats not the case, most of the heat will come from gpus, they are not lced and they need great airflow, the 800d does not have great airflow the haf x does, and btw I like the haf x and how it looks. IF my own system was not under full lc I would have the haf instead of the 800d.

Originally posted by 94marconi



I also see you dropped the H2o cooling for the cpu as well,does it not work on the 2600k or is it not needed? And if not needed is the HAF X that much better at cooling than the Obsidian?If the HAF X is that much better cooling wise, I will go with what you think is best for the system. Did I mention how much I like the 800d case If I was do go with the x79 platform now or in the future would it fit either case upgrade wise?



the lc was removed cause you don't need it with the 2600k, and yes the haf x is the case with better airflow.

which case I would recommend if you were to go with x79? the same thing, if you have gpu/cpu under lc I would say 800d, if gpus are not lced I would say haf x. They will both work just fine with x79 and upgrades.

Originally posted by 94marconi


You recommend the cf6970 with the option for tricf. Then you state the p67/68 platform can not correctly support tricf?? Confused as to what you mean by option for tricf...different platform as in the x79?



for your res what you need is dual cf with option to tri cf.

cf = crossfire = two ati cards working with each other

sli = scalable link interface = two nvidia cards working with each other.

tri cf = triple crossfire = three ati cards working with each other

tri sli = triple scalable link interface = three nvidia cards working with each other.

so when I say go with cf 6970 with option to go tri cf, that means go with two 6970 but make sure your system can handle three 6970 if needed, this is decided by the platform/mobo/psu. As I mentioned p67 can't do tri cf so it can't give you that option, the x79 can.

for tri cf/sli you gonna want the 1200w ax.

ask as many questions as you like.

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Oct 2011 at 1:22am

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More great info DST4me

I think the confusion on my end arises from your reply to my fist post.
      " for that res also we recommend cf 6970 with option to go tri cf."

Then your second comment...
          "the p67/68 platform that the 2600k runs on can't do tri sli/cf correctly"

Then you showed me a build that runs on a platform (p67/p68)That according to you can't correctly run tri cf which you recommend in your first comment???

Sighhhh...

Great info as to the Haf x case,Although not all people like myself think that Liquid cooling a cpu means that my system is "ICED" but good to know the 2600k does fine on "AIR" and the haf x case is very good in that regard.

Nice to know about the dx11 and the 2600,kinda wondered about that.

I am aware of the differences between sing, double, and triple cards and sli (nvidia) and cf (ati).But a great breakdown none the less and certainly worth repeating for people such as myself.

Since my $3000 to $3500 budget will not correctly support monitors at the res I would like, I will put this build off until the new year since the x79 platform might be out in Nov and that would put it too close to the shipping nightmare known as "Xmas.Hopefully the price will stay within my budget.

Thanks again for the info.If nothing else I come away a little bit better informed as to what DS has to offer and the best bang for my buck so to speak.I wonder if the competition will be as helpfull? I know Alienware and DEll was not...That was a $3500 mistake that I am still waiting for my refund on, but that's here nor there.

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Originally posted by 94marconi

More great info DST4me

I think the confusion on my end arises from your reply to my fist post.
      " for that res also we recommend cf 6970 with option to go tri cf."

Then your second comment...
          "the p67/68 platform that the 2600k runs on can't do tri sli/cf correctly"

Then you showed me a build that runs on a platform (p67/p68)That according to you can't correctly run tri cf which you recommend in your first comment???

Sighhhh...


Not sure why you are not reading that whole paragraph, let me explain:

Originally posted by DST4ME

the p67/68 platform that the 2600k runs on can't do tri sli/cf correctly, but the highend platform (x79) is suppose to be out sometime in nov and that can do it correctly, but just to show you the difference, below will beat your system in every way:


so if you look at the end of the paragraph you see me say that the build is just to show the difference and will beat your config, so you get an idea of the price/part difference between your config and mine, so in other-words I was basically saying here is what is wrong with the config you made, but keep in mind, that is just for learning purposes, since you want tri cf and these configs/platform can't do it.

Now if that confused you, I apologize, it was not my intention.

Now lets not jump to conclusions, I never said that your budget may not be enough to get what you want, we can only know what when the platform/cpu hits the shelves, and we have to see what kinda prices they have from builders like DS.

also if they are available mid nov, odds are they will have yours build and shipped by first of dec or even earlier, they send me my pc once on dec, and I got it pretty quick and before xmas.

as for competition, I have to be honest, I looked at so many different builders its not even funny, and that was before I was familiar with how DS worked on the inside a bit, and I could not find a builder that had the same quality, customer service, workmanship and prices, and I looked a lot, there are many builder that on the net look like they are doing the same thing as DS but its hard to find one that actually does what DS does.

let me explain a bit, for example where other builder (if you look hard enough) may use used parts on your system, how would you know for example if your ram is used or not? you won't, but DS is one of those builder you can trust to do you right, then there is their customer service, and let me tell you this is not dell, or alienware or hp and etc, these pcs are using the latest tech, and unlike dell and etc, DS does not make these parts, these are the same highend parts at their level me and you would go and buy and use in our own pcs if we were building them, and with computer parts the more highend, the more moody they are, some things can go bad, in short things can go wrong and when they do, you don't want to argue or go back and forth, you want to pay for shipping and have them send you out the part, this is where DS is in its own league, having dealt with may companies like the ones I named above and a few others, I have not seen a company care about the customer this much, it is for this reason that you find me on this forum donate my time, its because I want to see companies that truly put the customer first succeed over the other aholes.

So what I'm saying is that competition for DS is hard to find.

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Oct 2011 at 9:17pm

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I understand, Thank you.
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My pleasure and good luck

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