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    Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 9:39pm
Time to replace my first DS PC; 6 years of heavy use and the power supply finally died. I've done some small incremental upgrades over the years but I think now is a good time to purchase a new system.

Budget:
Approx $2500-2800

Expectations:
Expect to run this system for 5+ years before upgrade/replace, so need long term reliability, similar to what I had with my previous Digital Storm PC. Plan to stick with 1080p resolution on single display, may add 2nd display in the future.

Usage:
Gaming/productivity - Office, WoW, SC2, latest BF titles etc.

Special Needs:
Case that has excellent airflow -- room can sometimes get warm during summer, even with A/C running. Noise isn't a major concern. Don't need a huge storage drive, I have a spare drive to throw in if I need more space.

Some questions:
Should I stick with stock CPU speeds for longevity or will a stage 1 OC be OK? Does higher speed memory make a noticeable difference?
Should I specify the 6 performance fans option, or will the stock fans be sufficient? Do any cases come with a dust filter up front or can I make special request for that?
I hear Noctua NH-D15 is the way to go for CPU cooling, beats out some cheaper LCs.
I've been thinking of investing in a battery backup such as APC - any suggestions? What's the lifetime expectancy on the batteries?

Here's my initial configuration. Curious on how many fans does Velox come with in the stock config?

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Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series <br><strong></strong>
Power Supply: 750W EVGA SuperNOVA (750 B1)
Expansion Bay: Option Not Available
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1070 8GB (EVGA ACX 3.0) (VR Ready) <br><strong></strong>
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D15 (Extreme Performance) <br><strong></strong>
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking <br><strong></strong>
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition) <br><strong></strong>
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 11:17pm
A good safe oc is always the way to go, you need to worry about longevity with heat and vcore. Memory speeds above 2666Mhz don't make a noticeable difference.

Yes ask for the extra fans, not sure if any have one upfront but it will not matter, dust will find its way in, best way is to clean the system once a week, that way it will literally take 2 minutes.

APC makes good backup, go to their site and locate one that can handle the wattage of your psu. My batteries die after 2 to 3 years.

velox if I'm not mistake does not have the top fans but has the others.

this is the psu you want, gave you a faster drive, extra fans and oc:




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Bit of info:

1. Do not install Mcafee , instead get a lighter better anti virus like ESET ( number 3 on the list ) Or any other good light Anti Virus will do.

2. With extra fans request that DS changes all case fans and connects all your fans to the mobo so you can control them via free software. This way we can control the fans without needing anything else (aka fan controller and etc).
Also be sure to pick the color of the ring you wan the fans to have (red/blu/white).

3. The warranty here is 3 year labor and 1 year parts so if you want higher part warranty be sure to raise the warranty level to the desired level.
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 10:50am
Thank you for the quick response DST4ME!

I will go with the OC. If you think it will be safe for life I will do it. Totally understand about heat being #1 enemy on CPU life so I will keep an eye on it and if I think it's getting too hot I will drop back the OC. Is there a safe VCORE for everyday use?

Sorry for all the questions, I've been out of PC building for while. Want to make sure I know what to expect.

Thanks!

P.S. I think I will give the M.2 SSD a shot, wasn't even considering it but after some research I think I will love it.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Sep 2016 at 11:56am
For temps on cpu and gpu I like to keep below 80c, some think its ok to go max gpu temp (for exmaple 1080 gtx has a 94c max temp) but I will not go that far, 85c is the max I'm willing to go for gpu maybe cpu depending.

If your cpu temps go above 80c we need to look at your system cause that would not be ok, with stage 1 oc you should not have heat issues since that is a light oc.

a good vcore is one below 1.3

the m.2 is the way to go if you have the budget.

ask as many questions as you like



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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:17pm
Well I put in the order... now the hard part is waiting. I'm stuck using my Surface tablet as my primary machine until this arrives. Super excited!

So now I'm looking at APC units. In one of the reviews a user mentioned having trouble with square sine wave(I think I got that right) which his PSU didn't like. Is that something that I need to be concerned with?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 1:42pm
No worries with sine wave, just make sure you get one that supports the wattage of your psu.

Congrats Let the torture begin
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 6:16pm
Got to Stage 3 today.... just 9-14 more business days till it ships
Going to place the order for the APC next so I have it by the time the PC arrives.
I've been using AVAST for a/v protection, seems to work fine but I don't care for all the extra stuff they are adding in so I will probably give ESET a try.

Off-topic I've been using my Surface 4 since my PC went down... and starting a couple days ago the display is shakey/jittery. Seems to be a hardware issue so now I've got to run to the store and see if I can get it swapped... Hopefully this bad luck with electronics doesn't continue...
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Sep 2016 at 7:01pm
Sounds good keep us informed about you build and that surface please
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 2:20pm
No updates on my build, still stage 3.

Was on with MS support and they are going to send me a new Surface Pro 4. It's a hardware issue affecting the display, so they just want to replace it straight up and get me back in operation. Gotta say their support person I worked with was top notch, very friendly and got right to the heart of the matter. Would gladly work with them again.

Back to my new PC order - I just read the topic about the Noctua cooler no longer being offered on DS systems due to issues with damage in shipping. I'm a bit anxious about this now. Last time I got a system it had the Noctua D14 I think, and that arrived fine. Is this cooler much larger? Should I ask to change it or just leave it? Do we have any stats that say this % of customers had a problem with Noctua CPU cooler in shipping?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 2:34pm
You are covered for shipping and etc since you already ordered, worst case senario they send you another noctua and you put it in yourself, do you know how to unscrew 2 to 4 screws? cause that is all it takes.
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 2:41pm
Yeah, once upon a time I used to build PCs. I assume they've made mounting coolers easier since then. Used to bust my fingers mounting coolers to AMD CPUs grrr.

Actually just watched a video showing how easy Noctua is to mount on the CPU, talk about simple...

Kinda sad DS doesn't offer it anymore on new builds, it's hands down the best air cooler and I'd personally prefer it over the cheapo all-in-one liquid coolers offered. Air coolers add extra airflow over the mobo cooling on board chips etc.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Wildleeroy


Actually just watched a video showing how easy Noctua is to mount on the CPU, talk about simple...

Kinda sad DS doesn't offer it anymore on new builds, it's hands down the best air cooler and I'd personally prefer it over the cheapo all-in-one liquid coolers offered. Air coolers add extra airflow over the mobo cooling on board chips etc.


So true, people don't know this stuff and of course I have not heard one person from DS mention this either, I did see db188 mention it but he is a member/customer like me.

Truth is that ups and fedex can't do their job right and that is why we are deprived of noctua, but DS keeps insisting the shipping damage is not shipping fault but noctua's fault, which is not true, if your china set got damaged during shipping, its not the china set's fault, its the shipping company's fault. Or maybe its your fault for going with a crappy shipping company.

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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2016 at 10:44am
Checked with Alex and he said my order is on track! Harder to wait than usual since I have no desktop and my surface is pending replacement. When it rains it pours!

So should see it ship out in beginning of October... about 2 more weeks... sounds like "The Money Pit" w/ Tom Hanks :)
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Sep 2016 at 9:07am
Stage 6... 2-5 more days to ship

Got my new Surface from MS, so I'm back in business with that at least.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Sep 2016 at 2:51pm
Nice lets hope it keeps moving
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Oct 2016 at 6:22pm
Order has shipped! I'll take some pics unboxing when it arrives. Let's see how UPS does...
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Now its time to pray to the shipping gods
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 10:24am
PC arrived today.

One of the fans on the HS came off, easy enough to reattach since they are simple clips.

The HS also seems to be leaning, not sure if that's normal but the base on the HS looks to be attached solid and flat to the CPU, so just bent at the heat pipes from what I can tell.

Video card doesn't look straight either but didn't pop out.

Pics attached. Not sure if I should try booting it up.

Any thoughts?





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Looks like your pc took quite a jolt, i would give DS a call and see what they will do
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 10:38am
It does look like your rig took a jolt in shipping.   The Noctua does have the flexible heat pipes, and simply biasing the cooler to where it belongs might be  all you need.  It being bent probably won't effect its performance.

Some video cards do sit at an angle because of their weight.   I would reseat the card just be be sure its seated in the Pcie slot squarely.  Also make sure its not bent where it attaches to the back I/O wall. 

After checking the card and pushing the cooler I would fire it up and see. 

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Edit.. make sure the Pci e slot isn't cracked. 


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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 11:16am
Spoke with tech suport and said basically the same that was said here.

I booted the system up and so far looks ok. Only thing I found is one of the fans isn't spinning in the front panel. I have to figure out where that is connected.I loaded up HW monitor to watch my CPU temps... going to put some load on it and see how it looks. So far idle temps are around 20C... will let you know how it goes
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Chances are very good that you are good to go. Strong
 
Stressing the rig while monitoring HWmonitor will tell if all is tight.  Temps in the 70's C or lower are about normal, unless under custom water.

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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 11:27am
side note, wish they shipped these like they did in 2010, bigger box with the PC layed flat so no gravity pulling on the CPU cooler/video card. And it was suspended between two flat plastic layers that would let it absorb impacts better... probably wouldn't have run into these issues
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That's how my ODE was shipped in 2011 also.    I saw a different packaging when my son had his Vanquish shipped to my house a couple of months ago.  
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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 12:36pm
Front fan I mentioned before is actually spinning... I think it was cool enough before so the system turned off the one fan. I think I have to download software to see what the settings are
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I wouldn't think the fan was set to shut off, but maybe change speed with temp.

You can use Bios or Asus FanXpert, part of a mobo software package, to check speeds, if the fan is plugged into motherboard.

The mobo headers are labeled to better check each fan, like ChasFan 1 for example.



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  Quote Wildleeroy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 5:16pm
I may have been mistaken and the fan was always spinning.

I went through and made sure all the fan connections to the motherboard were good. I'll give that software a try.
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I'm glad you got your machine and hope any issues will get worked out. Can you describe how your rig was packaged? It seems as though they are not using the plastic wrap cushion technique anymore? Seems kinda scary. Especially on the larger sytems.
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The "expanding cushion" was in the PC case, but it was loose and actually knocked off one of the Noctua's fans. I doesn't seem like it expanded properly and wasn't helping at all(unlike the cushion in the PC I ordered in 2010 and it was in tight around the video card holding things in place)... Outside packaging it was packaged in a soft cloth and then encased in solid foam padding around all corners.

I feel the major problem is the PC was shipped upright, instead of horizontal. Sure it makes it easier to pick up and move, but now you are hanging all the weight on the mobo while the package gets bounced around.
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up and providing the packing information.  I agree with you about shipping upright. :/
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Wildleeroy, sorry to hear about shipping, how is everything going now?

I agree laying flat is a much better way for shipping but the sides are more fragile than the top and bottom I think, I could be wrong on that. But I do agree if all things is the same flat on the side is much better shipping. mine was shipped on its side in crate and upsh*t still messed it up.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 2:38am
Makes me wonder if the new shipping packaging is why DS dropped the Noctua due to shipping damage. Years ago the Noctua and my A70 cooler were popular and a common pick.    

When I saw my son's Vanquish in the smaller box with just the styrofoam I thought it might be just the Vanquish.

I'm sure most systems still arrive OK.

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Ya I was thinking also that they must have changed their foam packing, based on what everyone with shipping damage is saying and the fact that the noctua and other stuff is moving, tells me that its not the same packing as used on our pc, my foam packing was so tight, nothing could have moved, not even noctua.
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