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    Posted: 20 Jun 2009 at 2:44pm
If you believe the data, which is always a big "IF" around here, this Tom's Hardware feature is a nice compact summary single GUP gaming performance. Perfectly accurate or not, it should allow you to figure out roughly where just about any GPU fits in the general scheme of things. However, it does not address SLI. That's where the "midrange" part comes in.
 
Guess I ought to include the link....
 


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I have yet to see a proper accurate benchmark from tomshardware, they have one of the worst reputations when it comes to test results.

I used to be a member of their forum long time ago then I got tired of of the lopsided BS benchmarks they do and left so did many others.

I wouldn't trust tomshardware if my life depended on it.

tomshardware what a joke.

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Interesting stuff...always nice to see (in comparison) the hierarchy of things.  Thanx  Pinch
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Originally posted by DST4ME

I have yet to see a proper accurate benchmark from tomshardware, they have one of the worst reputations when it comes to test results.

I used to be a member of their forum long time ago then I got tired of of the lopsided BS benchmarks they do and left so did many others.

I wouldn't trust tomshardware if my life depended on it.
 
The politicians would be the first to tell you..."you can do anything with numbers/statistics...  Comparison charts are interesting...along with other charts and graphs...but, you're not alone in NOT believing everything you read/see.  About the only way to "weigh" some of these things...is to average the averages Smile
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Originally posted by DST4ME

I have yet to see a proper accurate benchmark from tomshardware, they have one of the worst reputations when it comes to test results.

I used to be a member of their forum long time ago then I got tired of of the lopsided BS benchmarks they do and left so did many others.

I wouldn't trust tomshardware if my life depended on it.

tomshardware what a joke.
 
wow dood how u just gona discredit ppl like that especially when you dont benchmark yourself. b4 you call some1 elses stuff crap id at least expect u to do so on your own. which doesnt inlcude those junk charts u copy and paste form other pls website. like i said i want to see some of your own test results
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@Zardoz8719, I didn't say charts and benchmarks are not good,I'm saying the ones from tomshardare are BS, they are always lopsided.

other sites like guru3d and others have proper fair benchmarks, tom's are always lopsided.

the quality of the source of the info is very important.

I look at charts and stuff all the time but not from low quality sites.

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do you have any proof of this lopsided ness, and low quality fromm what comparison like i said you're quick to disclaim these ppls results, yet i dont see you comming up with none of your own

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and thinking about it you and toms fit along together then cuz lots of your arguments are lopsided theirs enough evidence in the forums to prove it
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You wanna trust tomshardware go ahead I'm not wasting my time.

according to Alex my arguments are on point, and I certainly care more about what Alex thinks then you do, I'm sure Alex knows a tv card has nothing to do with video editing.

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Originally posted by DST4ME

@Zardoz8719, I didn't say charts and benchmarks are not good,I'm saying the ones from tomshardare are BS, they are always lopsided.

other sites like guru3d and others have proper fair benchmarks, tom's are always lopsided.

the quality of the source of the info is very important.

I look at charts and stuff all the time but not from low quality sites.
 
 
Point taken  Ouch
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appreciate it

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Originally posted by DST$ME

tomshardware what a joke.
 
I knew you'd say that. I don't care if the frame rates are off by a bit as long as they are internally consistant consistant. So enlighten us, oh Great Oz. Point out a couple of serious ranking errors.
 
Oh, and don't forget "Alex" is a fictitious person. Of course, so am I.... Stern%20Smile


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they are not off by a bit their whole test is lopsided to present the side they want to present at that time.

those charts might as well say bla bla bla bla, thats how much reliability they have, all over the net tom's has a bad rep for this reason.

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So tell us why you think that? For someone who bases everything he sez on facts you sure aren't making things clear. You are talking about how bad Tom'sHW is and that they run poor tests yet you have not given any example.
 
And I have to agree with inferno here, You are comparing one sites hard data with another sites hard data. Unless you run you're own benchmarks to back up the claim Guru3d is more accurate then you have no room to talk.
 
I am very sorry but claims like that are completely out of line, and not what i would have expected from you DST.


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Like I said you are free to believe whatever you like. there are many people that know tom's benchmarks are lopsided. their benches most times don't even agree with other quality sites.

check out their own forum and I'm sure you will find many of their own members calling the site fanboy like,
The tone of some of the articles has changed from a more 'reporting' approach to an almost fan-boy approach


read the commments to their own articles from their own users, you will see plenty of people saying the same thing I am.


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The comments seem to be suggesting that the tests are slanted unfairly towards nVidia cards, and many suggest that the ATI cards are better price-vs-performance.

so what does an "accurate" benchmark look like of the ATI vs nVidia cards? toms seems to be promoting the same point the DS community promotes, that being that the gtx 275 pretty much destroys everything, at least if you look at the charts


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tom can swing either way depending, once you know a source is corrupt then, its pointless to spend time looking at it, specially when there are better more quality sites to look at, its not like toms is the only place to go.

for me, I had enough of toms while I was on there, I don't promote/help BS sites.

everybody is free to believe and trust who they want.

later on, nobody can say "well nobody told me" somebody did, in this thread.

I guess what I'm trying to say is there's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee , that says, fool me once, shame on... shame on you, fool me...fool me... can't get fooled again.

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To DST. I really do not doubt that you are correct.. You normally are. I am not disagreeing with your statement, I am more interested in you're comment. I was simply asking for some real proof, not just what seemed like one persons opinion.
 
I am certainly going to check out there forums and read up a little more on this.
 
As I said. I was simply stating that it is not right to simply make a claim such as that and not give any reason why you made the claim. I was not implying you wer wrong. Hope that is clear. 
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sdelu just saw the comments, even in the same article listed people are crying about the lopsidedness.

its difficult to provide proof of such a thing, I have to go back and do so much research then come back with facts and links and etc, it take a lot of time to do that and to be honest, I don't want to spend so much time doing that, with this type of stuff, people can take my word for it or they can put a lot of time into reading posts/threads/article/comments and see for themselves, but it will take a lot of time.

I appreciate your clarification to be honest I walked away from your post thinking you said I was wrong, I thank you very much for our clarification, I hate it when I'm under the wrong assumption, you know me, I like to have the right facts

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Originally posted by DST$ME

sdelu just saw the comments, even in the same article listed people are crying about the lopsidedness.
 
Well, I slogged through 3 of the 6 pages of comments before I lost interest. Virtually all the complaints about bias were about quoted pricing and the inclusion of "Remnant" in the benchmark suite. Except for ATI fan boys, who gives a rusty Sleepy. Except for one comment questioning whether the best ATI drivers were used, I didn't see one question regarding the validity of the benchmark data. Maybe they're all bunched up at the end.
 
It's still the best recent survey of non-SLI GUP performance that I've seen. If anybody has seen a better one, I'd like to hear about it.
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lol based on what is the best you have seen? what makes it better then others?

the fact that they are not using correct ati drivers does not factor?

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Now, it's still the best.....
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