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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Trying to plan out a LC loop...Opinions? JUSTINN..
    Posted: 10 Jul 2010 at 10:38pm
Birthday's coming up, and I have some excess funds I need to spend if I need it, so LC would be pretty sweet to get.
Reasons why I wanna go LC...
1. Up overclock. Venomous X only hit 3.6 Ghz. Blagh.
2. Aesthetics. I'm seriously obsessed with case aesthetics and noise levels. The Venomous X is quite quiet already, but LC just seriously adds to the look/aura.
3. Been trying to get more experienced hands on with higher-end tech.
4. Been recommending FrostChill in the config suggestions too much, getting jealous LOL

Anyways, I've been trying to construct some builds up on sites, but it always ends up backfiring on me by price (Reallly don't wanna spend over $450...)
Here's what I think would work best in my case
- Dual 120mm single radiators. I don't want to mount external, for aesthetic and noise reasons. I have the main exhaust fan and a fan hole CNC'd into the side panel to work with at the moment (thanks DS!)
- Side panel radiator needs to be quick released. If I want to take off the side panel completely, the radiator obviously needs to be disconnected. Not ripping out the entire loop just for routine maintenance/troubleshooting sometimes.
- Considering Fans, I've been eyeballing this AP121 fan made by silverstone that supposedly gives straighter airflow, and supposedly works better as a case intake fan/heatsink fan. You think it'll do any good mounting a rad in its way? Otherwise, fans with LEDs or are UV Blue reactive are a preference.
- Again, preferences toward aesthetics and low noise.

Everytime I go config a build, I somehow go into the $400+ price rangeCry. Anyone got suggestions?


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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jul 2010 at 3:48pm
Current build...
Res - XSPC Bay Res w/Room for 1 MCP655 (Going with bay because I have no taps or a good drill, and I can't find an alternative mounting spot for the res and pump. Nor can I find a nice clean area to stick in a tube res for my case)
Pump - Swiftech MCP655 w/Speed Control (do i really need all the power? you think 200 gph would do?)
Rads - 2x Swiftech Single 120mm (One for side panel, one for top exhaust)
Quick Releases - 2 pairs for one radiator
CPU Block - Apogee XT
Tubing Size - 1/2"ID 3/4"OD PrimoChill
Liquid - Feser Aqua (pure H20 essentially)
Additives - Silver Strip (where/how should I mount this?), Anti Corrosion (do I need this?)
Barb or Compression? - Barbs
Total - $405

decent, but lower is always better. also, do I need that 317GPH that the Swiftech MCP655 offers? Or, XSPC makes a res with a 200GPH pump already in it that would save me $50, if that should be sufficient.

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  Quote <8) slunK parade Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Jul 2010 at 10:51pm
get a heatkiller SON, its around the same price as that apogee
compression > barbs
and im pretty sure those silver strips cost a pretty $


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:03am
are you sure you could only get 3.6Ghz out of it on air?
I can get you a list of stuff to make a decent LC setup, but first maybe you can post up your current overclock specs and temps.
 
Those big strips of silver are around $6.00-$8.00
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 4:27pm
DS only managed to get that Ven X I swapped out to up to 3.6, somehow. I only managed to fit on one fan, but they're claiming they can stick in a second one, dunno, gotta try that when I have the chance.

Overclock was this:
Processor Speed GHz: 3.6
CPU Multiplier: 21
Voltage CPU VCore: 1.30625
VDroop Control: Yes
i7 - BCLK MHz: 173
i7 - Voltage QPI\DRAM: A
i7 - Voltage QPI\PLL: A
i7 - Voltage CPU VTT: 50
i7 - Voltage IOH Vcore: A
i7 - Voltage ICH Vcore: A
i7 - Voltage IOH/ICH I/O: A
i7 - PWM Frequency: A
780i/790i - Memory Clock Mode: 7
780i/790i - CPU FSB MHz:
780i/790i - Voltage FSB:
780i/790i - Voltage SPP:
780i/790i - Voltage MCP:

Overclocked Memory Settings

Actual Memory Speed MHz: 1333
i7 - Memory Ratio MHz: 1380 - This is a ratio that is multiplied by the BCLK multiplier in order to produce a final memory speed of 1333

Voltage Memory (i7 - Dimm Voltage):
Timings (CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS):
i7 - Voltage DRAM Bus:
780i/790i - Memory Clock Mode:
780i/790i - CPU FSB MHz:

Checked prices for compressions, lowest I'm getting the total price now is $420. Still a bit high.


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 4:53pm
what temps are you getting under load?
how can you have a CPU multi of 21? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
you have 1333Mhz RAM correct?
$420.00 is a lot of $$ for just a CPU loop, should be able to knock about $150.00 off that
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 5:05pm
ask DS. LOLload, well, problem is, I don't have access to the system atm...on vacation. lol.

and yeah 1333mhz ram. like I said so many times, I goofed real hard when I originally ordered LOL

as for the cpu loop, enlighten me Big%20Smile I ONLY need the CPU cooled, but I require that the loop include single 120mm rads, max of 2. bay res preferred unless you can find a nice potential mounting area in my case...Confused


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 5:34pm
 
 
 
 
bay res suck donkey peepee.
they are out of stock on the swiftech micro res, $10 less.
dual 120mm radiators is costly. lol
I picked 1150RPM fans for low noise, but if you don't mind the noise you can go up to higher RPM fans if you want. shave 3C-5C off going with 1850RPM ones, but they are pretty noisy.
this is about as good of a loop for the $$ as I can get
 
 
 
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 6:09pm
you think these CM R4-L2R series fans would do well, though? static pressure is rated at nearly 3mmh20 running 12v, running at 7v now though so that should be, what, 2mmh20? fan speed now should be around 1150 when undervolted to 7v

oh, and, no clamps...?

and whyy do bay res suck, lol. I can't seem to locate a decent tube mounting point nor a good spot to stick in a micro res. Bottom of the case needs to be open because it's an intake for the 180mms, and right under the mobo is where a 180mm is blowing at. sure a bay res isn't a good idea? seems like a better option for me...


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 6:26pm
do what you want, lol anything made by CM is crap, 99% marketing 1% crap.
I have 20 or so bay res sitting around here... they all suck, only one I use is the one on the test bench, because it can run 1 or 2 loops off one pump, but what a pain in the butt to use.. one of these days I will get rid of it, and go with a better setup.
Cant you stick the res I posted, or a micro up high, where a bay res would go? just pull it back a bit so you can get to it for filling and such.
Also you mentioned putting a rad on the side panel? that would be detachable?
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

how can you have a CPU multi of 21? LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

Wait, what am I missing here? I thought all 920s had a multi of 21? I know they're officially listed as 20, but as far as I know most any motherboard can set them to 21.

Have you been using 930s for too long Justin? Hahaha


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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

do what you want, lol anything made by CM is crap, 99% marketing 1% crap.
I have 20 or so bay res sitting around here... they all suck, only one I use is the one on the test bench, because it can run 1 or 2 loops off one pump, but what a pain in the butt to use.. one of these days I will get rid of it, and go with a better setup.
Cant you stick the res I posted, or a micro up high, where a bay res would go? just pull it back a bit so you can get to it for filling and such.
Also you mentioned putting a rad on the side panel? that would be detachable?


why exactly do they suck...? and I probably can't mount a micro nor the tube res in that area, the area is already predrilled out, but in a odd row formation to mount the tool-less bay holder. anyways, it'll be more difficult for me to check liquid levels there too, compared with a bay res.

and yeah, if I go double 120mm rads, one would have to be mounted on the side panel (hole's been CNC'd when I ordered, they just did it, no request lol, and a fan in place already). double 120mm rads because I see most people hitting 4+Ghz using a dual 120mm, I can't really stuff that in without going outside the case and killing my preferences. if that would happen, then it'd have to be quick-releaseable too since if I do maintenance like dusting, I'm not ripping apart an entire LC loop Hahaha


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:31pm
no Dragoonseal, it is  kinda a inside joke, !ender  had this discussion earlier today, might want to search for it, to make sense of it. lol
 
Bay res, slow to bleed, hard to fill, harder to drain, take up 5.25 space, make more noise, more prone to leaking, look like old lady butt craters, ect ect..


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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:35pm
I could just give it a little extra tubing slack and when I want to fill it, just pull it out of the 5.25" slot. And unhook it, flip it, and then pull it out to drain. Confused. Main reason I'm searching for bay res is that they can usually mount MCP655's/DDC's better aesthetically to me. Whatever, most of it's personal preference, right? They seriously make more noise though?

oh, you think a MCP655's flow rate would be overkill for a dual 120mm/apogee xt setup? i can see that the pump you suggested has ~200gph of flow rate, if that's enough, then I can find something that might shave off $50 of my original config and put it in my price range...o_o


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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:37pm
matters how crazy the pump is, the pump I listed, has decent pumping power, but very quiet, so I doubt you will hear much noise once the air is bled out.
Unscrewing all those screws, and rescrewing is the part of making it harder. lol
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:40pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

no Dragoonseal, it is  kinda a inside joke, !ender  had this discussion earlier today, might want to search for it, to make sense of it. lol

LOL

Yeah sorry, just came across and read it a minute ago. I usually read the forum folders from the bottom first, less posts down there to catch up on.
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:46pm
bay res + integrated pump, your worst nightmare LOL

XSPC X2O 750

at least look at it, tell me if you think it might work. would shave off $50 and allow me to have a $350 build, which I'll post soon.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 7:54pm
do what you want. lol
 wasn't the build I posted cheaper yet? with better parts??
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meant with dual rads and quick releases o_o




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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 8:41pm

6 compression fittings?

wrong size compressions  5/8" OD?
paying way to much for them. other places are $1 cheaper or, or more
 
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FrustratedFrustrated my bad on the compressions...compression fittings are 2 for the top rad, 2 for res, 2 for apogee. apogee comes with barbs, but I'd rather replace with compression. aesthetics and that I think compressions are longer lasting over plastic clamps. Would like to keep vendors to a minimum though, sidewinder and FCPU.

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:09pm

you have the fans then?

That pump is weaker than the one I posted, and those dam Koolance thingy ma bobs are pretty restrictive, and that CPU block likes flow, prolly only lose 2C-3C because of the low flow though
speaking of fans, you air in/ air out is pretty balanced?
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:12pm
2x 180mms bringing in air from the bottom and channeling through the case (one of them also exhausts), and the rad fans would be functioning as exhaust too. the fans I have too, currently functioning as exhaust. though, the fan in the hole DS CNC'd is pretty much put in the most useless place right now, smack under the cooler. at the moment, I have only one of the 120mms exhausting though, panel fan is intaking, I can just flip it while having the two big 180mms still intaking.


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can't use the rads for exhaust, intake only
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rads are intake only??...seriously? why, though?
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:39pm
the water temp, is a direct calc of air temp passing through the radiator.
Inside your case it will be at least 5c higher  than ambient air, that will mean a minimum of 5C higher water temps, and also about that much in CPU temps... so with CM fans. loss of a couple C's, low pump head pressure, exhausting hot air though your rads, you will not be really any cooler than with air.. maybe 3C-7C.
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:55pm
ah I see. how the heck didn't i notice that...lol. well, I can just make them both intakes then. would be positive interior air pressure though.

oh, and just a question. what's the concept for stacking radiators and sandwiching a fan in between, never understood that.


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2 things on that, lol
 When fans are on radiators they will flow a lot less, so sometimes 2 case fans will flow the same as 3 radiators fans.
a small amount of positive is good, but the more positive, the less air that is going through the radiators.
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stacking radiators? that's my only hope now lol, because the case design of my Raven 1 will completely screw over dual 120mms, ehehe. if that's so, then I'm gonna give in and just do an external mount. which SS conveniently built in holes for. but I have no clue how to really setup. lol.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 10:09pm
stacking only works with  high speed fans.. so I would not suggest it
 
Air cooling is a great way to go... damn water is expensive to do right, done wrong, you won't be happy, and will either end up with air anyways, or end up spending even more to get it right. lol
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 10:15pm
hm...you're probably right. lol. well, I'll go and see what I can tweak around with that ven x then, maybe swap out for non crapmaster fans. THAT you're definitely definitely right about, 19dba my butt, sounds more like 28. maybe I can CNC out a better/bigger fan hole on my case side, allow more air in for the cooler.

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yeah, that is what I would recommend, working on getting the case, and cooler you now have, tweaked to perfection..
I hope you don't, lol, but if you ever do water, it is best to start from scratch, and really plan it out.. I went through a lot of cases, and other parts before i finally have stopped with my Decepticon, and Drunken monkey, same with the wifes two builds.. all are great builds, we are very happy with them all, and will suit us for many years, on the water cooling aspect.
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 10:22pm
well, in this case, I've the worst worst possible case to do it on. lol. you're right though, I should probably just tweak this thing and run it air like it was supposed to.


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