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    Posted: 21 Mar 2020 at 12:45pm
Hi All -

Looking at purchasing an updated PC, as mine has become quite sluggish in the last year or two, and is struggling with even the new Modern Warfare.

1. Your Budget: Preferably keeping it between $4-5k. I was trying to stick around 4, but with the $500 off for going just over $5k, I'm happy to stretch it a bit for some extra pieces.

2. Expectations:  Maxed out 1440p gaming. Single monitor for gaming, although I do have two 27" 1440p monitors set up (secondary is for browsing, streaming, etc). I expect this to last me quite some time. I didn't get as much leg-room as I was hoping for on the first one, although I believe that is in part due to some faulty parts where I missed the warranty, as well as SLI woes (hence the transition to a single powerful card).

3. Usage: Anything and everything blizzard, from WoW, to Starcraft 2, to Call of Duty. DOOM Eternal. Fallout/Skyrim. Star Citizen (if it ever releases, probably in 2030 lol) Various new titles. Occasional twitch streaming of my gameplay, plus browsing, streaming of videos and gaming streams on secondary monitor while gaming.

4. Special Needs: No real special needs. Preference for something on the quiet side. Heavy gaming usage in conjunction with other computing on a secondary monitor. Prefer substantial amount of (fast) storage, hence the two 1 TB nvme drives. I currently have a single 1 TB samsung ssd, and a 250MB one, and I struggle constantly for space.

Extras (not must-haves): DS Thermal Mgt. Board & Software. I am a huge fan of this on my current setup, however I hear the Corsair ML PRO series fans are top notch and silent, and incompatible with the DS Board, so not a big deal.

Would also be requesting a quick drain port for the reservoir. I still have anxiety about cleaning/maintaining systems, so anything I can do to lighten my load here.

Thoughts on if it's worth requesting a specific brand of graphics card? I vaguely recall when I purchased my first system, people talking about requesting EVGA branded cards.

I put something together below. I bumped up the motherboard, as I thought I read somewhere that the Z390-P wasn't anything special. Plus for $47, a third PCI-E slot sounded nice. I was also debating between the Lumos & Velox, but as I opted for liquid cooling the Lumos seemed the better option. Can someone confirm, or discuss differences? All I could tell was which side the window was on.

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Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro (RGB Light Bar)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux PRO: Exotic Custom Cooling System (1x Graphics Card + CPU)
HydroLux Tubing Style: Flexible Tubing (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
HydroLux Fluid Color: Green Fluid + Clear Tubing (Requires HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Corsair ML PRO Series (High Static Pressure) (Magnetic Levitation)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores
Graphics: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system

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  Quote WADofMEAT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 4:06am
I would suggest removing the 970 pros and just get 970 evo plus if you want to go m.2's. You cant really tell much difference between pro and evo plus or even some ssd depending on setup.

Also you can down grade the gpu for titles you mentioned. Save that money for when new 3080's coming out

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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 4:51am
I thought I recalled seeing someone posting that the Pros were far superior (hence the additional text "Extreme PErformance" in the title)? Or perhaps that was a comparison to the DS M.2 Performance Series?
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 5:19am
Hi Eggy,

Always liked your avatar. Smile

 You might just want to R&R the original video cards (if still on, of course) and give it some more years of life. I changed my GTX 980s (games crashing/freezing on low settings)for some RTX 2080Tis  and back to max on everything. Strong

As to the Pro vs Evo. The Evos are newer but technically not better. You will not notice the diff but....


PS also have a 5960 which is same vintage as yours.
      I went with the EVGA Hydro Copper model to keep the loop but you could go on air and it would be easier to change.


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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 6:23am
Yes, the DS M.2 SSD runs on the SATA bus which is ~5x slower than the PCIe access an NVMe uses. The diff between Samsung PRO and EVO NVMe's is negligible, and not worth the extra $, IMO. You could have one of each and never see any difference.

Since the window is on the right in the Velox, in order to display the parts, everything is upside down. Otherwise they are both good cases.

I agree the GPU choice could be a bit over the top for what you play. The 2070 SUPER could handle 2x monitors just fine, and you might want to be in a better position when the new line hits If that's not your thing, maybe a 2080 would hit the sweet spot.

DS is no longer doing custom loop drains. IDK why.
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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 6:28am
Hey Hoserator,

Good to see you, hope you're well.

My current system is still my original DS build, as listed in my signature. But, due to a number of issues since I received it, with various components, I would likely wind up rebuilding it from scratch when doing some R&R. I still have problems with the hard drives as mentioned, the motherboard has had problems since the day I purchased, and I'd be scrapping all the graphics cards. Moreover, since I'm switching to a single GPU system, I do not know how involved it would be to update the water cooling from three GPUs down to one.

All that said, I am certainly holding onto it, and I plan to start building my own using the custom case as a base. Likely with cheaper parts until I get fairly comfortable with the process, before moving on to the big guns. For now, I'll let DS do the heavy lifting with the big money.

Back to the new purchase: I contemplated sticking with air, in which case I would likely also go to the Velox case. However, concerned with the GPU throttling for some games/temps, and also noise factor. Most of my gaming uses voice comms, so I'd prefer not to be in a wind tunnel.

One other question I forgot to ask early on - is there any benefit to changing the processor? the i9 10x series, vs the 9900k I have selected, vs. say the AMD processor (threadripper I think?). I'm not too familiar with this particular component.
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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 6:47am
Thanks for the info about the SSDs Cretae. Maybe I'll downgrade those for the $150 or whatever it was. Bummer to hear about the loop drains, but thanks for the heads up.

MY concern is a 2070 Super not being able to handle 1440p gaming at high frames, or at least not with another monitor going on the side. What would a 2080 Ti be necessary for, then, if not for games like MW / DOOM on ultra? Strictly a 4k card?
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  Quote WADofMEAT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 6:02pm
Originally posted by Eggy

Thanks for the info about the SSDs Cretae. Maybe I'll downgrade those for the $150 or whatever it was. Bummer to hear about the loop drains, but thanks for the heads up.
MY concern is a 2070 Super not being able to handle 1440p gaming at high frames, or at least not with another monitor going on the side. What would a 2080 Ti be necessary for, then, if not for games like MW / DOOM on ultra? Strictly a 4k card?


2070 Super can do ultra wide 1440p/2k no problems

As for the 2080ti thats stepping into 4k and up
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 7:45am
Hi,
Good idea with the case. I have the same mobo and have had no issues at all that are not self inflicted. LOL With the new cards I hope to have extended its life for some time. I'll strip it down next time and start fresh. Strong

For gaming, the opinion of the gurus here (and I hope to be corrected if wrong) is to go for the 9900K. Don't know about AMDs' products.
The video card is up to you and the 2080Ti is definite overkill and it will also run all you've got at max for a while no problem. The other suggestions will run what you have. New cards were coming out in the second half of the year but.......
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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 11:00am
Hah, yeah I've been trying to keep up with the timeline for new cards, and I've considered waiting.. but, there will always be something new right around the corner.

So, I guess the question is just how much overkill do I want. 2080 vs. 2080Ti. I'll play around in the config and post an updated build likely today for critique.

The nice thing about the Ti is the ability to add a third monitor without worrying about slowing anything down, as well as future proofing. But, granted it's a big jump (like $5-600 I think).
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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 7:25am
New Config: 2925693

I dropped the SSDs down per your recommendations. Sticking with the 2080 Ti - I was chatting with a support agent. He originally pointed me to the super, but when I mentioned I was running two 1440p monitors at 144 refresh rates with Gsync, he suggested I stick with the Ti - apparently he runs a super and his frames still dip.

This puts me at $5,001, so I'll get the $500 off. Plus tax, of course. The man up top needs his cut.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:03am
Congratulations. Awesome
That RTX 2080Ti is a monster. You will not be sorry. Strong

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I am running a R9 3900x and an EVGA 2080Ti FTW3 in my current setup on 3440x1440 AW Ultrawide. currently getting around 115+ FPS in CoD on Max settings.
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  Quote Eggy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 9:43am
Thanks Snow, good to know.

I haven't pulled the trigger quite yet. My brother is trying to convince me to wait until the next generation of cards comes out, as I believe hoserator mentioned above as well. Wondering if it's one of those things where, if I wait now I'll always be waiting for whatever is around the corner, or if their new architecture will really be that much more of an upgrade. Ahhh!!
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  Quote SnowandSand Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by Eggy

Thanks Snow, good to know.
I haven't pulled the trigger quite yet. My brother is trying to convince me to wait until the next generation of cards comes out, as I believe hoserator mentioned above as well. Wondering if it's one of those things where, if I wait now I'll always be waiting for whatever is around the corner, or if their new architecture will really be that much more of an upgrade. Ahhh!!



I was in the same boat a few years back when I got a DS rig with 2x 980Tis lol
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