Watching TV using the PCPost Date: 2008-10-05 |
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DL13
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Topic: Watching TV using the PCPosted: 05 Oct 2008 at 5:06pm |
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Looking for suggestions on this: I'll be buying a new rig from DSO in a month or two plus either or 22 or 24 inch monitor - I want the new PC to be both a gaming machine and watch TV on it. In my current PC I have a Hauppage HDTV tuner card. Works great, the only problem is that through my cable company I only get the basic cable stations (up to ch 99) plus a few HD channels that aren't encrypted. For the others the I subscribe to I'd need a setup box from the cable company to decrypt.
Right now I see two options to get all the stations. First use an ATI Digital Cable TV Wonder (http://ati.amd.com/products/tvwonderdigital/index.html) with a cable card. This would run everything through my PC but costs over $200. The second option is to get a settop box from the cable company and plug that into a monitor's HDMI input - problem is then the audio; where do I route that to? I've come across a couple of Samsung monitors (T240HD and T220HD) that have speakers, but no idea how the sound is.
Leads to some questions - anybody with experience on the ATI Digital Cable Wonder? If I went with a settop box and send the input to a monitor (assume a monitor with HDMI for the TV and DVI for the PC) can I send the audio to the mic input on either the mobo or a sound card (not sure of the quality it would have)? Any other options? Is there an input card for HD from a settop box into the PC?
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Posted: 05 Oct 2008 at 5:48pm |
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OK lets clear-up a few things:
your first options sounds the best your second option will not work cause your PC does not have an "hdmi input" those are outputs, your TV card will give you video/audio inputs, which is why you couldn't figure out where to go with the audio. sound is a matter of perception, if you are big on sound then odds are you better go with a razor sound card. if sound is not that big of a deal to you, a good mombo has a 7.1 audio, so that should be great for you. Its been a while since I got a TV card but this was true back then, not sure if it still stands: if you plan to capture(record) anything you will be limited to a 720 resolution limit (again check and make sure this problem still exists) they use to have this for people who try to pirate shows (like myself )
ou can always use an remote rca system (cordless)from the box to your pc. $100. they have a HD remote system also but it will cost you a good $700. |
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Kliebor2
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 2:53pm |
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DST,
Sounds like our friend here is saying plug the cable box into the HDMI on the monitor because his PC is plugged into the VGA In on the monitor (My Samsung has both ports on the back). If your cable box has HDMI outs this would work, however unless your monitor has built in speakers, you will get no sound directly. If it has speakers and the cable box correctly obeys the HDMI spec (which is not always the case) then yes you should get sound, quality will likely be poor. Also note most consumer audio/video equipment uses DVI not HDMI... similar looking cable on the surface, different spec however, so be certain before you go and buy cables which for a decent one run between 60 and 100 bucks. If Your cable box uses DVI you are probably out of luck, you may be able to get a DVI to HDMI conversion cable but I find many converter cables are fairly lossy and cause issues... Best of Luck. Dave ![]() |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 3:18pm |
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oh if he wants to go from the cable box to the monitor then he can,
you can get the sound to the monitor by a converter and a spliter
I use converters and have not found any problem with them. |
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Axel Daemon
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 5:17pm |
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For the sound aspect.... can't he just.... you know... do a Line In or Digital In, if he had a soundcard picked?
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 5:23pm |
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the inputs audio/video for the pc are only in the tv card, all the other cards do output only.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 5:33pm |
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Hrrrm I may have failed at covering certain specific stuff...
Say he went with the 2nd option.. A "settop box" I presume is the cable box that transmits signals to your TV/monitor etc. What kind of outputs does it have in the back? I figured if he has an HDMI output which he can connect to his monitor. Then if it has an Line Out/Digital Out or something. He could use a coaxial/toslink to deal with the audio part so long as his motherboard or sound card (whichever of the two) has one or the other type of connection (Line In or Digital In). I mean this is how I'm directing my PS2's audio through my computer up to my headphones (via adapter RCA females to 3.5 mm stereo jack to the Line In of my computer). That way I don't bug anyone in the house with my sound lol. The moment I plugged it in sound from my PS2 came out from my headphones. Edited by Axel Daemon - 06 Oct 2008 at 5:35pm |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 5:51pm |
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are you talking about the mic line in?
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:05pm |
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Well for my computer there's Mic In and Line In. But technically speaking I was referring to "Line In" (which is usually colored light blue, while Mic In is reddish/pink)
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:09pm |
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hmm can't say I have seen the line in. perhaps your mombo does have one, if you have an input then ya you can use that.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:32pm |
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Yes - by settop I mean the cable box. In this case my cable co using Scientific Atlanta. With that second option it would be from the HDMI output from the cable box to the HDMI input on the monitor. On the back of the box (8300HD) there is "Digital Audio Out" and "Audio Out (LEFT and RIGHT)". Both are RCA. The digital is one plug and the the other is two - left and right. There is also an "Optical Audio Output". So, based on what you are saying above, I might be able to output into the mombo line in or mic in? Do either the 780i or 790i have a line in? I'll likely be choosing one of those two boards. How is the sound when using the line in or mic in?
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:43pm |
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http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-10-06/asus_rampage_ii_extreme_07.jpg
@DST: Really? You've never seen Line In before? Here's an example. It's the first input on that soundcard. The red one right under Line Out is Mic In. Edited by Axel Daemon - 06 Oct 2008 at 7:52pm |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:47pm |
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so its the mic in like I said?
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Axel Daemon
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 8:51pm |
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@DST: What about Mic In? To answer your question from before "Are you talking about Mic Line In". No I'm not.
Line In/Digital In can be used so that if you have an external audio source that you want to hear through say your computer speakers/headphones. You use that. I'm surpirsed you haven't heard of Line In, even Xonar and Creative sound cards have this. Oh and yes my motherboard has Line In, (not to mention Digital In and Out, RCA types though) If you're saying that Mic In and Line In work and function the same way. I could agree with that, I'll try using my Mic In on my computer to see if I get PS2 sounds out of my headphones... ====== @DL13: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/videotron/Scientific%20Atlanta/Terminals/Back8300HD.jpg http://www.timewarnercable.com/media/49/Content%20Management/Customer%20Service/images/equipment_images/sa_8300HDDVR_2_large.gif Here's your cable box I presume. HD8300. Let's see.... You got HDMI, Component, Composite and S-Video for video ouputs... so yeah you're good to go for HDMI.... As for the Audio.... yeah you actually have two options for HD Audio. Coaxial and Toslink Optical. Coaxial is the one that says "Digital Audio Out" Toslink Optical is the one that says "Optical Audio Out" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif Here's a difference (in appearance) between S/pifs and Coaxials, there's actually no quality difference as both types are equivalent in performance. At least that's what I was told ahaha. It just simply gives you more options and flexibility. As for 780i and 790i having Line In. Yes they do. And in terms of quality. I have a prebuilt by HP, and it's like... almost three yrs old right now, whatever I hear is probably gonna sound alot better with what you're gonna use. PS2 sounds glorious for me personally. You're gonna have to modify the "Line In" volume level to match whatever your default Master Volume is gonna be, too loud and you're gonna end up hearing the feedback in the background during times when there's complete silence in console games/movies. (Most likely with horror games lol) Then again like I said my mobo is old, 780i and 790i "Line In" might not have that feedback issue at all. Or if you're planning on using Digital In then feedback sound might not occur at all. (Never had a chance to try this yet... will be able to once I order my computer from DS ahaha) Though if you do plan on going Digital In, the 780i/790i motherboards don't have Digital In. (Sound Cards cover this issue though) Just to cover several methods here (this is assuming you're gonna go with choice 2) Scenario 1: Using the RCA female outputs (the red and white audio outputs) To transmit the signals to your computer You'd need something like this. This is if you're just gonna go with standard stereo sound through two speakers/headphones more or less. Scenario 2: For Digital Audio.... you're pretty much gonna need an Audio Card for that Digital Input (color coded black, and this isn't the 3.5 stereo output called "rear" I'm talking about here.) If you do go with a Sound card such as Xonar D2X, or Creative's Fatal1ty for example. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132005&Tpk=Xonar%20D2x http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/29-132-005-08.jpg Here's the accessories that come with Xonar D2X. Though I think the adapters are currently connected on the "s/dpif optical adapter", cause I was confused about the package contents of the Xonar D2X that is shown on Newegg till I dled the manual online to checked. "• S/PDIF TOSLINK optical adaptors x2 • S/PDIF TOSLINK optical cable x1" So yeah, same with Fatal1tys packaging of accessories too. For anyone who wondered what that funky Digital Out that PS2's and PS3's had, that's the kind of cable you're gonna use. Edited by Axel Daemon - 06 Oct 2008 at 8:53pm |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 8:53pm |
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I see.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 8:56pm |
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And people thought Video cables were a -beep-.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 9:04pm |
I have PC connected to my TV with the sounds coming out of the sound system, its all wireless |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 9:08pm |
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Excellent info. Thanks.
After I buy my new PC (from here of course
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 9:12pm |
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Just tried the Mic In. Works just the same. (Though seems like if you have say Microphone Boost on, the feedback becomes helluva lot worse, though without the microphone boost, everything is okay)
I'd still say you use Line In exactly what it's meant for, and Mic In for microphones >_>; Edited by Axel Daemon - 06 Oct 2008 at 9:14pm |
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Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 9:19pm |
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AD is correct line in is the one to use the mic in as AD says will kill sound quality.
on a different note, I used to have my tv hocked up to my pc, but then it got old real quick but I still wanted pc and tv. so, I put a pc infront of my tv, lol so now I see both. no wires or anything, the sound is great, the graphics are great, both can work at the same time Edited by DST4ME - 06 Oct 2008 at 9:20pm |
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 6:01am |
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I just have an HP Home Media server, it was like 450 bucks from HP has a 2.1 Ghz core 2 older chip and Windows XP Media Center edition, I use it to play DVDs and I also have my VCR/Cable Box come in through the TV Signal in on the tuner card and since the media server is on my network I can use my NAS to store video from the web that I download and play it on my TV... works great, does not impact my gaming PC at all and it can record any TV show I want like a Tivo but much better :)
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