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    Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 1:43am
Hello, I recently purchased a Stage 6 LCS from DS (and it's an awesome machine I'm very happy with the build quality), but have not been satisfied with the temperatures so far.  When I received it the cores were up around high 80's, I understand that is acceptable for an overclocked processor as I am already asking more out of the equipment than is promised, but I was hoping to get more out of it.  So far I have rearranged all the fans, reversing the top fans and adding three to the bottom of the radiator so that there are now 6 120mm fans in a push pull config exhausting out the top and 4 120mm fans on the bottom exhausting up in the chassis(this is with the Corsair 800d).  I've added one 60mm at the bottom and reversed the direction of the center fan so they both intake air towards the top.  I've also reseated the cpu block and applied some of noctua's thermal compound on it and have had some improvement.  Been able to push the overclock on the cpu up to 21x201 with a vcore of 1.34, qpi 1.27 and ram at 1.65.  This is with LLC enabled (mobo is Rampage III; chip is i7 950).  Still tho getting core temps up around 84C and the thing idles in the mid 40s-50s.  I think overall I have only managed to knock about 6-7c off the total temp, but have pushed the OC now from DS's 3.9 to 4.2 (tho have dropped the vcore voltage from 1.38 to 1.34*they had LLC on auto).  This is my first liquid cooling system and have read others who have had more success with temps so I'm not sure if there is anything I'm missing that could be done to improve things?  Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Radiators are mounted in at the top and then the second lodged in the PSU chamber underneath.  It's just like the photos on the configurator however the radiator on the bottom is on its side and not flat due to the metal support of the chassis.

Thanks in advance.

(I'd be open to chassis mods as well however I've only had the computer for two weeks and don't want to dismantle the entire thing yet).
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 6:49am
what temperature is it in your house?
can you take a picture of the case with the side panel fan off?
can you also take a picture of where the computer case is sitting when you use it?
 
in the meantime, verify all ran fans are spinning and post your full build configuration
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 10:51am
Ways to improve LCS:

Ensure there is plenty of space on all sides of the PC Case.
Keep ambient temps low
keep Rads as clean as possible
Pre-Chill the Liquids as in the new DSO Chilled LCS systems.


Edited by MagiK - 08 Dec 2010 at 10:52am
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  Quote breadCrumb Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 11:35am
Currently my house is about 70 degrees Fahrenheit. 

System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS HailStorm Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage III Extreme (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series  (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (160GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Hitachi/Seagate (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Player (Play Blu-Ray and Play DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 6: Sub-Zero LCS Dual Loop: CPU & Dual SLI/CrossFire Video Cards & Chipset

The computer is completely out in the open on top of a push table so I can access the two of them easily.  The one behind it is a i7 960 with an evga 3x classified cooled with a noctua nh-d14 in a haf932.  Its overclocked at 21x200 on the processor and runs about 10c cooler.  The photo of the two of them together doesn't want to work however.  I drew the arrows to try to show how I've been trying to direct the airflow, but as you can see the rad at the bottom is not ideal for an air flow path with little resistance.
 
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 11:59am
Oof, odd. Even Lilim's 920 at 21x200 has never hit higher than 79°C (70°F ambient), and even that's only after a 24 hour Prime95 blend test.

Anywhere in the LCS that doesn't appear to be moving well? Any pumps slow or not pumping?
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  Quote breadCrumb Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 12:14pm
To be honest, that is part of why I've come to you guys; I'm not entirely sure how to check the flow rates.  The pump is active I can hear it working when I'm close to it and when I touch the tubes there is vibration in them.  It's a split reservoir and one side is about half an inch low from the top, but the tubing from that side leads to the GPU's, which are running around 30 something idle and haven't exceeded mid 40s under load.  So I've been quite happy with that side.  I also had them add a chipset block and the northbridge never gets hotter than mid 40s also despite having added some extra voltage there as well.  It's just the cpu that seems to be the issue.  So far I've actually tried to re-seat the block three times total in the span of time I've had the thing, first two I put Arctic Silver 5 down but got frustrated since that takes 200 hours to reach its full potential so then changed to the Noctua stuff.  But I just can't seem to make a dent in it.  When I first pulled the block one of the screws would not go into the board and I was afraid the mount had stripped, but when I took the little block off the end of the spring on the mount; with the spring still in place it went in just fine so I'm not sure what that was about, but its as snug as I can get it without worrying about applying to much pressure to the mobo.  So I'm as confidant as I believe I can be that it has good contact, but again I admit I'm not sure whats the best test (other than temps) to be certain?

Thanks for the responses btw.
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 3:06pm
I kind of suspect a flow rate issue, since the GPU's stay cool...but trying to trace that is beyond my LCS knowledge at the moment.   I do know they make these little inline flow rate indicators..basically just little spinners you put in line with your cooling line to see how the flow is doing from a visual inspection.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 5:40pm
yea try and get a look at your tubes to see if things are moving, im thinking a flow problem as well
 
did you check to make sure all the fans are spinning?
 
i didnt get much from that picture do you think you could try and take another step back and try and show where each fan points even if it takes multiple pictures
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  Quote MagiK Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 6:12pm
Would help if you turn off the cold cathode lighting too so we can see inside the case....otherwise you will wash out the things behind it. When taking pictures dont have the light sources infront of the camera pointing into the lens  Hahaha


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  Quote breadCrumb Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 6:38pm
That does seem like common sense doesn't it Big%20Smile  Sorry.  Anyway, all the fans do work.  I've rearranged them so many times the last few days that I am quite certain they are all running.  I can tell the reservoir to the GPUs is pumping since it is lower I can actually see the liquid move, I don't see movement in the CPU side reservoir but the tubes to the mobo and CPU do vibrate very subtle like when I touch them.  I cannot get the photos to want to link to the post, so I'm just gonna link the photobucket album.  I tried to get all the angles.  You'll notice cables kinda all over and there is a 140mm fan that is suppose to be covering the hard drive just chillin on the one in the center, that is not gonna remain there I just got lazy as I've gotten tired of screws after the last few days.  Are there any devices to check flow rates that don't require unhooking the tubing? I'm not opposed to the idea, it's just the computer is brand new and I'm not sure yet the best approach to draining it.  But for as much time as I've spent trying fan arrangements, it might be more sensible to take more drastic steps I don't know. http://s1133.photobucket.com/albums/m598/photoClutter/

That's the link to the album and I hope some of those are more helpful.   And again for the ones I hadn't powered the system down yet, I apologize for the blinding light.  Thanks guys.
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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Dec 2010 at 7:09pm
if you cant see the water in the cpu loop moving, thats not good, even if they move that can be from anything in the case
 
its so hard to tell without getting hands on the thing... but something is wrong for sure, thats not normal
 
id contact ds, see if they have any advice on the flow checking... i know you cant do it without breaking the loop
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