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    Posted: 01 Jun 2022 at 11:11pm
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Looking for the best bang for the buck. I bought another computer with a 12700K and a 3080 in their large tower with 32GB of DDR5 RAM and a 1GB Gen4 SSD.

The thing was configured with a 4 pipe tower cooler that was not up to the cooling task, but the air flow is very good in the case. I was able to get it to not throttle by undervolting the CPU through XTU, but that's a waist of the 12700K could have used a base 12700 instead.

The GPU is solid and a good over clocker.

The RAM was stated at 4800, but only operates at 4400. The BIOS is a joke and can not load any memory OC profiles.

I'm basically looking for something I don't have to mess around with and will get all the performance I paid for without me pulling out my remaining hair.

Usage:
I do some AAA gaming on my 2k Ultrawide that runs at 144Hz. I also do a lot of video editing and CPU intensive workloads.

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I'm looking at the Ultimate Lynx Prebuilt. I just wish there was 32GB of RAM in there vs 16GB. I guess I can just slap in the memory, but I would have to see what I'm given to match it.

The main difference between the Best and Ultimate is moving from a 3070 to a 3070 Ti. Which seems like it's not really needed since the performance boost between the 2 is not much. If the 3070 can handle the 2k Ultrawide @144Hz how much more can the 3070 Ti really do, and I don't think I will get a huge bump in performance in video editing either. (Mostly CPU and Memory intensive, so if I can slap in an extra 16GB with the saved money, I can be OK.)

The other computer with the 12700K, 3080 and 32GB of Ram cost me 2051.00 + tax. And I will need to purchase a Noctua (+120.00)cooler to get the use out of the 12700K, I'm still in the other computer return window.

The DS Best config is 350.00 less (470.00 less if you factor in my cooler purchase needed), but I will need to slap in 16GB of more RAM in there at a min, which will probably put me at 400.00 less then the other computer, 300 if I go for the 3070 Ti Ultimate build.

I'm leaning to returning the other computer and going with the more standard parts. Losing the K chip to an F, is not a huge down grade, Going from DDR5 back to DDR4 is not huge, the real world realization in memory speed is negligible. The big loss is 3080 down to a 3070 or 3070 Ti. Is it enough? to get a better built system? I have no clue and looking for advice from anyone here with experience with Digital Storm. Basically what would you do in my shoes?


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  Quote Snaike Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 12:39am
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 4:56am
It's all in how you feel about the editing chores IMHO. Either rig will game to the max at 2k. If you think it's a small sacrifice in processing/editing to have a 3070 Ti rather than a 3080, that's where the whole difference is.

This IS the Digital Storm Forum, so there's also the fact we're totally convinced that DS is a premier builder with excellent customer service, or we wouldn't be here. Just have a look how long some of us have been around. That would always be the decider for me.   
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  Quote binro01 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 7:21am
I understand the bias. I have a natural bias towards SIs vs OEMs, bust the other computer seemed like an excellent bang for the buck to deal with the drawbacks, but finding the Lynx prebuilt, I'm beginning to doubt my decision.

If I decide the 3070/3070 Ti is not up to the task, I can easily sell it pre-owned and upgrade. 3070 Tis go now on Ebay for around 600.00 pre-owned, while a new 3080 from Newegg will cost me 200-300 aditional.

Bumping the RAM up to 32GB in the Lynx will be around 70.00 bucks

The stock performance difference between the 12700F and 12700K is negligible, but it's nice to tweak the K.

The drawbacks of the other computer's BIOS and MoBo is making me lean to returning the other computer and picking up the Best config on the Lynx. I can then upgrade where I see fit. (Memory first to 32GB... Maybe even pulling the 16GB and putting in 64GB)



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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jun 2022 at 9:35am
stay away from the "Ti" models as there's no value in them.  you pay like 70% more for around 20% (tops) more performance over the non-Ti version of the card.  i'd suggest either going with 3070 or the 3080, either will drive that monitor fine. 

i'd definitely go with more memory for productivity use cases.  the speed isn't so much of a factor.  3200mHz is easily obtainable even on cheaper "H670" and "B660" skewed mobo's. 

again value, you get about 13% more performance for about 50% more cost with the 12600K vs. 12400F.  so YMMV.  you do get 3 more efficiency cores with the 12600K.  there's also a cooling savings to be had with the 12400F as it's a 65W part compared to 125W part with the 12600K.  you can rest easy knowing that a value priced air cooler like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 can handle all of your cpu cooling needs.  total savings between the cpu+mobo+cooling can be significant when you're looking towards a value/budget build. 

more sense for an upgrade in 64-core performance would be the I7-12700F.  you do about double the mixed multi-core performance by doing so over the I5-12400F.  base power is 65W up to 180W turbo.  the DS price difference is about $195 in their system config.  

note: the DS configurator is misinformed that B660 DOES NOT support 12th Gen I7 cpus.  the Intel website confirms that I7-12700F supports both B660 and H670 mobos.  in order to config and order a system with this combo you'd probably have to talk directly with DS about it.




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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 4:32am
I'm interested to know which component of the Lynx you think is low grade, and/or which ones "scarcely" operate. I also don't know how you know there's "no choice to deliver it's best". The only issues the OP seems to have is whether he will want 32GB of RAM, which is easily remedied, and the choice between the two GPUs. If he chooses the Ti, and buys some extra RAM, he saves $400. From years of experience with Digital Storm, and three purchases, IMHO there is no "low grade" delivered here. That's why there are so many repeat customers.

The more or less same custom build here would have a 12600K, everything else the same, and cost $2349. If the pre-built isn't a terrific value, then I don't know what one looks like.   
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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 11:30am
yeah they source their rebranded DS "quality" level stuff from name brand companies (i.e. Crucial, Samsung, etc. for their system memory), so it's not like you're getting off brand junk from a suspicious source.  all of the other options are specifically name brand components. 

as far as the base line Lynx builds "value" goes, you're getting about an $1,100 pc for $1,249.  i priced it out at pcpartpicker with comparable components.  not much of a markup when you factor in labor and their warranty. 
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  Quote daveyd Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jun 2022 at 11:17am
I bought a DS prebuilt five and a half years ago, but I got the cheapest one (which at the time was only $900!)  Overall extremely happy with it. The only complaint I have is with the "Digital Storm" SSD, which ended up being Toshiba brand. It died on me a few years ago.  Perhaps I did something stupid to mess it up or maybe I just got unlucky.  I replaced it with a WD SSD and the PC is still going strong.

Of course the advantage of going with the custom build is you have more control over the parts. You probably don't need a Samsung 980 PRO, but it's always nice to know exactly what you'd be getting so you can read reviews.

But most DS prebuilt seem to be a very good value. I've actually been considering going with the "Good" Lynx again this time, but I'd have to get more storage for it. 


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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jun 2022 at 7:03am
The Lynx prebuilts are a very good value considering the GPU market. Now that they have NVMe storage and the very excellent 12700F in the 3 & 4 teamed with kick-a video, they are in the ballgame for sure.

Beware the budget mobos only have one M.2 slot for NVMe storage. If you think you'll need more than what comes with the model you select, you'll need a PCIe card. You can get the SSD right on the card, but I've found this nifty idea: a card that gives you an M.2 slot.

https://www.amazon.com/M-2-Adapter-Aluminum-Heatsink-Solution/dp/B07JJTVGZM/ref=asc_df_B07JJTVGZM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366315397608&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8960057337425080670&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1015197&hvtargid=pla-812122725109&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=74356900537&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366315397608&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8960057337425080670&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1015197&hvtargid=pla-812122725109

Your experience with the earlier SSD was extreme bad luck IMHO. They are much more reliable than HDDs as a general rule.   

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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jun 2022 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by Cretae

The Lynx prebuilts are a very good value considering the GPU market. Now that they have NVMe storage and the very excellent 12700F in the 3 & 4 teamed with kick-a video, they are in the ballgame for sure.

Beware the budget mobos only have one M.2 slot for NVMe storage. If you think you'll need more than what comes with the model you select, you'll need a PCIe card. You can get the SSD right on the card, but I've found this nifty idea: a card that gives you an M.2 slot.

https://www.amazon.com/M-2-Adapter-Aluminum-Heatsink-Solution/dp/B07JJTVGZM/ref=asc_df_B07JJTVGZM/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366315397608&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8960057337425080670&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1015197&hvtargid=pla-812122725109&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=74356900537&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366315397608&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8960057337425080670&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1015197&hvtargid=pla-812122725109

Your experience with the earlier SSD was extreme bad luck IMHO. They are much more reliable than HDDs as a general rule.   
doesn't that require an x4 slot to run?  i think on the budget boards you only get 1x PCIe x16 and maybe 1 or 2 x1 slots.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jun 2022 at 4:50am
Yeah, that device appears to be for PCIe gen 4 and an X4 slot, which is not available on a Lynx pre-built board. Good catch. I didn't even know such a thing existed until yesterday.   

A closer look informs me an NVMe adapter could fit a X1 slot under certain conditions, but it would run like a SATA SSD. No point in that.   
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