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Post Date: 2015-09-23

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    Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 3:59pm
Looking for some build help. Not sure if this is overkill or not enough. Thanks in advance!

Budget:

11K range.

Expectations:

I would like a 4K gaming rig that consistently runs at 60 FPS. I will be utilizing a single monitor. I play mostly shooters, strategy and some MMO.

Usage:

Strictly used for gaming and occasional web surfing

Special Needs:

I like the Aventum III and prefer liquid cooling on cpu, cards and chip

Saved Ticket #: 1287337

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Aventum 3
Exterior Finish: Black Metallic Matte Finish
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 5960X 3.0GHz (Eight-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUS X99 RAMPAGE V USB 3.1 (Intel X99 Chipset)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 2666MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX (High-Performance)
Power Supply: 1500W Corsair AX1500i (Digitally Controlled Power)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (1TB Samsung 850 EVO)
Storage Set 2: 1x SSD (1TB Samsung 850 EVO)
Storage Set 3: 1x SSD (1TB Samsung 850 EVO)
RAID Config: RAID 5: Performance + Drive Failure Protection (Recommended) (Requires 3 HDDs)
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 3x SLI Triple (NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB (Includes PhysX)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: HydroLux Level 4: Digital Storm Exotic Custom Cooling System (3x Video Cards + CPU + Chipset)
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing (Requires Custom HydroLux Liquid Cooling System)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Digital Storm RGB LED Lighting System (Requires Thermal Management Control Board & Software)
Airflow Control: Digital Storm Thermal Management Control Board & Software
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires High-End Motherboard Selection)
Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 5:40pm
you don't need tri-sli on a single 4k monitor.  besides, after the second card sli scales badly and your cpu will be bottlenecking further performance.  i highly suggest either a dual 980ti Strix or dual Titan X graphics config paired with the faster Skylake I7-6700K.  since you have no productivity needs/plans you really don't need to go with an X99 system.  the base clocks on the Skylake I7 are much faster than Haswell-E, and while it is true you can oc the boost clocks of Haswell-E to around the same 4.5Ghz (if you get lucky with the silicon lottery) for 24/7 use, it's much easier on 4 cores compared to 8.  i've also read that for some reason I7-6700K's all pretty much oc very well on average (around the 4.5Ghz target) with a good percentage getting stable 24/7 oc's in the 4.7Ghz range...even on air. 

you can get less power supply (in the 1000W range) if you scale back your graphics config based on my recommendations.  if you change to Skylake on the Z170 platform you can switch the mobo to the ROG Mximus Hero VIII. 

you don't need 32GB of system ram for gaming, 16GB should suffice. 

all-in-all you can save quite a bit (~$3K) of money and get the performance you want with these changes.




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  Quote Blue6955 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 6:04pm
Thank you DB - Very helpful.
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  Quote  Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 6:38pm
I agree with db188.  Also, you may want to consider, especially if you move to dual cards or down to Z170 (which can only support dual cards), that you move from the RAID 5 array of SATA drives to a faster NVMe PCI-e SSD.  While you do get some fault tolerance in a RAID 5 array, they can sometimes be a hassle to manage and if any drive does fail, it takes a while to rebuild the array, as all of the working drives need to be surveyed and the new drive needs to be contructed from those scans.  A better solution may be to have a RAID 1 array of a couple drives in addition to the PCI-e drive, where all of your saved information, stuff that can't be redownloaded, is saved to, and put your operating system, games, and other programs on the PCI-e drive where they can benefit from the speed.  RAID 1 is much easier to use, and you don't have down time in the rare case when a drive may fail, as they are both identical copies of one another.
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  Quote Blue6955 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 7:14pm
Interesting - I was considering a PCI SSD setup (1.2 TB).

Can you give me some ideas on how you would set that up with a RAID 1 array.

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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 7:49pm
there's even a new, really fast (seq. read 2,500MB/s+seq. write 1,500MB/s), M.2 2280 form factor Samsung 950 PRO V-NAND NVMe drive coming out soon (October) that won't require physically populating the pcie x16 slot on the mobo.  the first editions won't have capacities higher than 512GB, but they intend to do 1TB+ down the road.  should be nice in a Z170 as a main drive. 

the cool thing about the new chipset is that you can raid from different buses, so for example: let's say you have the pcie slotted ssd along with a populated M.2 pcie form factor drive, you can raid the two of those drives (as long as the second drive is the same or larger capacity) in "raid 1".  JJ from Asus gave this exact example from his product overview youtube video of the Hero mobo, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GKyGyDm7g

so, for a graphics/storage setup on the Asus Maximus Hero to suit your needs i can see:

x2 Ttian X (or GTX 980ti) in sli populating 2 of the pcie x16 slots (in x8/x8 mode) on the mobo
x1 Intel 750 NVMe 400GB populating an x16 physical mobo slot in X4 mode
x1 Samsung 950 PRO M.2 2280 form factor NVMe (pcie x4 support) 512GB in the M.2 slot of the mobo (in raid 1 config with the Intel drive)


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  Quote  Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2015 at 9:46pm
There are some complexities here in how the motherboard is designed in order to run multiple PCI-e SSD's, whether they are a PCI-e card, M.2 card, or U.2 drive.  What you have to check is that the M.2 slot and PCI-e x4 slot do not share bandwidth.  It is possible to mount an M.2 card in a PCI-e slot with an adapter:



You will also need to make sure the latest BIOS for the motherboard is able to support this, as well.

The configuration I was suggesting was to have two separate logical drives: one on the PCI-e SSD for the OS, programs, etc. and a separate one on a RAID array for saved files and such.
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  Quote db188 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2015 at 5:22am
well, the DMI 3.0 interface allows for 20xpcie connectivity thru the massive (26 HSIO ports) flex I/O hub of the chipset.  20 of these can flip between usb 3.0 ports, SATA 6GB/s ports, or pcie lanes.  i think the default first 6 HSIO ports are USB 3.0, the next 20 are split into groups of 4 pcie 3.0 lanes.  the last 3 sets are actually labelled Intel pcie storage device.  the Z170 chipset now supports more pcie devices as part of its Rapid Storage Technology (RST14).  it seems RST14 supports up to 3 pcie ssd in raid.  you can also raid together a pcie ssd and SATA ssd as long as it's connected over the HSIO ports.

it's all going to depend on each motherboard's configuration, so do your research.  the high end mobos (like the Hero) will offer the greatest connectivity options.        

Edited by db188 - 24 Sep 2015 at 5:23am
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