New 4K gaming rig. Need recommended build helpPost Date: 2016-06-30 |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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Topic: New 4K gaming rig. Need recommended build help Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 10:06am |
Need recommended assistance on a build for 4K gaming. Already have a 4K monitor with gsync provided from a friend that works at Asus. Replacing an older gaming system to a new one that supports 4K gaming. Can consider SLI but would like to avoid if possible due to bad gaming experiences with SLI in past unless this has changed. Budget: Under $3500 Expectations: 4K gaming Usage: Only gaming and watching streams and videos. 95% gaming Current played titles are Fallout 4 w/ mods, Witcher 3 w/ mods, World of Warships, World of Warcraft, The Division, War Thunder, GTA 5 online Upcoming titles will purchase: Battlefield 1 While I play MMO, millitary sims, and RPG's mostly I do play FPS titles but not as much. |
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bprat22
DS ELITE DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!) Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20391 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 11:15am |
Hi blackcatfoe.... Here's one way to go....
Config # 1445139 Cost $ 3608 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Apollo (White) Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX1000i (Digitally Controlled Power) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO) Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition) Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (GeForce GTX 1080 8GB (NVIDIA Founders Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D15 (Extreme Performance) HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.4GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard) Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks Branded Gear: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) The Apollo case is a very good all around unit for space, cooling, etc. Velox gives you more cooling, and the video cards are inverted directing the heat from the cards upward. Velox is a right facing window and Apollo is left window if your desk setup matters. For 4K gaming we are still at a time where sli is needed for frames above 60fps with settings maxed or close to it. Here's a link to check it out with single gtx 1080 http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1714 Hope this helps. You can 4K game with a single card, but would have to twaek in game settings down to match the game. I put in the Noctua air cooler for tops in quiet and reliability, but the Corsair H100i all-in-one liquid cooler also works great. Noctua does overhang a ram slot or two and is heavy. The AIO liquid has more to go wrong, but is very reliable and much smaller. Put in a decent capacity SSD for OS and lots of games and a HDD for much cheaper storage. More and more, the mechanical HDD is being dropped in favor of just solid state SSD. Up to you. |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 11:21am |
Here you go Ticket# 1445148 --- $3,537.00 (To see this build click here)
Copy of Specifications: Chassis Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox Core Components Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices) System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX1000i (Digitally Controlled Power) Storage / Connectivity Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal) Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (250GB Samsung 850 EVO) Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics / Multimedia Graphics Card(s): 2x SLI Dual (GeForce GTX 1080 8GB (NVIDIA Founders Edition) (VR Ready) Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Digital Storm Engineering Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 120mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow) Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Digital Storm TwisterBoost Technology Boost Processor: Standard Intel Turbo Boost 2.0 Automatic Overclocking Software Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value) Accessories / Goodies Customer Care Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) something like the above. |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 11:28am |
Thanks for the quick reply. Question I have regarding SLI was my experience in the past dealing with titles that are not optimized for SLI and of course issues with SLI in some titles like washed out texture color effects in game. Has this improved since my experience with titles three years ago?
Also I noticed DS no longer defaults stage 1 overclocking. Is it not needed as much today? Edited by blackcatfoe - 30 Jun 2016 at 11:30am |
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bprat22
DS ELITE DigitalStorm East -- (Unofficially!) Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20391 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 1:01pm |
SLI is still a problem for some titles. I don't have any specifics, since I don't sli. I don't think much has changed.
As fas as overclocking, with Skylakes multi-core enhancement, the Turbo speed, 4.2 with the 6700k, is across all four cores. In the past, Turbo was single core with the other cores getting less speed as they came into play. The added stage 1 overclock would be to get to 4.4, hopefully, and to keep the core speeds up longer. Multi core enhancement, I believe, does toggle the speed as needed instead of on most of the time under load. |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 1:26pm |
Thanks. I think im going to go with a single card for now as I don't play many titles that need the extra power. Most benchmarks I am seeing are with all settings the highest possible. From what I read AA is not needed as much as with lower resolutions. Since the monitor supports gsync this will help a bit.
Edited by blackcatfoe - 30 Jun 2016 at 1:27pm |
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DS Veteran Joined: 28 Oct 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1674 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 2:01pm |
G-sync just helps with tearing -- when the screen buffer gets caught between two frames and part of the displayed screen is one frame and the other part is another.
AA helps with the sharpness of edges being rendered and make them look more realistic. Higher resolutions diminish this effect a little bit. Super-resolution, where the scene is rendered at 4x the resolution of the screen and down-sampled, helps with this effect as well, but if you're at 4K/UHD already, you're not going to be running super-res to render the screen at 8K. The upcoming Pascal Titan should be able to do single card 4K/UHD very well and be cheaper than dual 1080's. |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 2:02pm |
Interesting. Is the Pascal Titan scheduled for release this year? Q3 or Q4? |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 2:32pm |
You are not gonna have smooth gaming at 4k with one card tho:
If you still don't want to go sli then I would wait for the titan Checkout news on titan here Edited by DST4ME - 30 Jun 2016 at 2:35pm |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 3:16pm |
Yeah after review I noticed benchmarks for 1070 GTX SLI. Many of the titles showcased I get between 50 to 60 fps with everything at highest settings. Of course with some tweaking that FPS can increase.
Any thoughts on 1070 SLI setup? It seems more cost effective then 1080 SLI. Edited by blackcatfoe - 30 Jun 2016 at 3:34pm |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 3:52pm |
nothing's really changed with SLI. these new consumer Pascal cards have high bandwidth bridges, but what is really needed is a completely new interface. NVLink is only for super computing, but it was hoped that it would find its way to consumers as well...perhaps in the future. PCIe 4.0 (with a new connector) is supposedly on its way as well (to be finalized in 2017), but when we actually see products is anyone's guess.
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I7-6700K Gigabyte G1 Z170X Gaming GT 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz Corsair Hx1000i 1000W Samsung M.2 980 Pro 2TB;Samsung 850 EVO 1TB MSI RTX 3080 Ventus OC 10G LHR Gigabyte M28U 4K |
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db188
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 3:59pm |
Big Pascal (Ti or Titan versions) isn't due for about 9 mos.
a 1070 is ~equal to a Titan X in performance. a 1080 is ~equal to a Titan X+30% more performance. you still need 2 cards to cover all of your bases for 4K+ "Ultra"/maxed-out settings at a guaranteed 60+FPS/smooth frame rate across ALL current games. |
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I7-6700K Gigabyte G1 Z170X Gaming GT 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz Corsair Hx1000i 1000W Samsung M.2 980 Pro 2TB;Samsung 850 EVO 1TB MSI RTX 3080 Ventus OC 10G LHR Gigabyte M28U 4K |
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 4:01pm |
From what I have seen sli 1070 is about 10fps slower then sli 1080.
so for example a 74fsp vs 64 fps, now that I saw in one game only but in most its more like 84fps vs 74fps so I think sli 1070 will due, just keep in mind you are right on the line which means you are gonna be short within a year or so with newer titles. |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 4:04pm |
Thanks. I usually upgrade my cards every year so by this time next year new cards will be on the market. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Jun 2016 at 4:13pm |
Well then 1070 for sure that is a no brainer, but personally I recommend upgrading every 2 years if the need is there. aka go sli 1080 now and upgrade in a couple of years or so, which is when you should need more gpu power.
That way you get the most and best out of your money. Edited by DST4ME - 30 Jun 2016 at 4:15pm |
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 11:52am |
so a couple of tweeks to keep under budget.
ID: 1445744 SLI 970. Final question before purchase. I know the 850 SSD PRO is good for better write speeds but as a storage drive to play games the EVO would be fine I take it? For main OS I have an 950 M2 drive. Needed or overkill? Just settle with 850 PRO? |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 2:28pm |
both pro and evo will be fine, they are around the same speeds as far your use goes, but ya writes are faster. the m.2 is in a different league.
as for 950 needed or not, need no, but as mentioned if you want speed then that is it. sli 970 can't do what sli 1070 does in 4k |
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blackcatfoe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 2:55pm |
Thanks for the info guys. Oh and I meant to say 1070 SLI not 970 SLI. :)
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 3:04pm |
Glad to hear that its 1070 you will love that
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blackcatfoe
Newbie Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 3:46pm |
Just noticed they dropped the ASUS and EVGA variants of the 1080. Per pricing the ASUS 1080 SLI is not that much higher than 1070 SLI about $150. I'm thinking of just going with the ASUS 1080 SLI. EVGA is almost $400 more. Looks like the EVGA is just more expensive due to higher OC and their cooling setup on the card.
Oh and this is the monitor I got from a friend to game 4K on. ASUS ROG Swift PG27AQ 27" 4K UltraHD IPS Gaming Monitor w/ NVIDIA G-Sync Edited by blackcatfoe - 01 Jul 2016 at 3:48pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 2016 at 4:16pm |
Its upto you, I personally trust the pcb from evga, I find their products to have better quality.
Nice monitor Edited by DST4ME - 01 Jul 2016 at 4:17pm |
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